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Originally posted by Green Cockade Green Cockade wrote:

Just a point on the feud between The Doog and Terry Neill-this really kicked off after the ' Shamrock Rovers' v Brazil game, with Dougan totally shunned by Neill after it. Neill had originally appointed him as NI captain but within a couple of years an irreconcilable relationship had developed and it didn't matter that Dougan was NI's most prolific goal scorer, he was never getting picked again. The terms Dougan used to describe Neill ( 'bastard' was the one he used the most often) suggested to me that the sheer injustice rankled badly with him and he viewed Neill as nothing better than a Patsy for the worst of the suits.

I have no idea about Neill's character - Dougan may well be right. But Neill captained every team he ever played for. And in addition, Spurs thought highly enough of him to take him from Hull, where he had been player-manager in his 20's, to be their manager despite his being an ex-Arsenal player. After which the Gunners appointed him their own boss, when he was still only 34. By contrast, Dougan's only spell as a boss was player-manager of non-League Kettering.

Fact is, throughout his life (both football and non-football) Dougan clearly had a problem with authority.

Btw, not only did Neill make Dougan his captain upon becoming Player-Manager himself, but he picked him for the next 7 games, despite Dougan having turned 33. Dougan failed to score during any of those games. In fact he only scored twice in his last 21 caps, once each in 3-0 and 5-0 drubbings of Cyprus.


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Actually, I've just remembered another story about Dougan. One of the players NI turned to to solve our prernnial No.9 problem was a guy called Sammy Morgan.

Sammy was big, strong and enthusiastic and looked every bit a centre forward - until he got the ball! And after a bright enough start to his NI career, he eventually fizzled out with 15 caps (3 goals).

Anyhow, after Dougan had finally burned his bridges with the IFA, he was working in the media as an analyst. After one NI game, he had a right go at Morgan, including the observation that "he lacked the intelligence to be a footballer" (or somesuch).

Which seemed to me to be unnecessarily personal, considering the two had actually played together for a couple of games.

Meanwhile, Sammy seemed more amused than offended, responding quietly: "Intelligence? I wonder how many 'A' Levels Derek has?" For Sammy was a qualified schoolteacher, with the education to match! LOL
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Sammy was big, strong and enthusiastic and looked every bit a centre forward - until he got the ball! 

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I remember Sammy Morgan. He was with Aston Villa in the old second or third division as was and not a first teamer there when he replaced Dougan, who if I recall rightly was still knocking them in for Wolves at the top level, in the NI team. Sammy spent his career with clubs in the lower divisions and never looked international class. He might have made a better schoolteacher -he did try hard but there was a lot of incredulity amongst NI fans at the time that Sammy and other low level artisans were getting picked ahead of the Doog. It was the equivalent of Robbie Keane being dumped for Joe Lapira. I appreciate Dougan's assessment of Sammy was rude, if accurate, and he did indeed have problems with authority but I always liked him as a player and he was certainly good craic to have a few beers with.
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Originally posted by Green Cockade Green Cockade wrote:

I remember Sammy Morgan. He was with Aston Villa in the old second or third division as was and not a first teamer there when he replaced Dougan, who if I recall rightly was still knocking them in for Wolves at the top level, in the NI team. Sammy spent his career with clubs in the lower divisions and never looked international class. He might have made a better schoolteacher -he did try hard but there was a lot of incredulity amongst NI fans at the time that Sammy and other low level artisans were getting picked ahead of the Doog.
Sorry, I meant that Morgan had played alongside Dougan for NI (vs Bulgaria, 1972), since their international careers just overlapped.

Anyhow, although Morgan made a living from the game, he was a journeyman who would not have been considered anything like international class had NI not been desperate for a CF in the early 70's. (We tried a few duds at that time.)

But one of the reasons they were desperate was because Dougan was "done", at least at international level, as the last 21 of his 43 caps proves:
11/12/1968 Turkey........ A W 3-0 WCQ
03/05/1969 England....... H L 1-3 BC
06/05/1969 Scotland...... A D 1-1 BC
10/05/1969 Wales......... H D 0-0 BC
10/09/1969 USSR.......... H D 0-0 WCQ
22/10/1969 USSR.......... A L 0-2 WCQ
18/04/1970 Scotland...... H L 0-1 BC
21/04/1970 England....... A L 1-3 BC
11/11/1970 Spain......... A L 0-3 ECQ
03/02/1971 Cyprus........ A W 3-0 ECQ 1 Goal
21/04/1971 Cyprus........ H W 5-0 ECQ 1 Goal
15/05/1971 England....... H L 0-1 BC
18/05/1971 Scotland...... A W 1-0 BC
22/05/1971 Wales......... H W 1-0 BC
22/09/1971 USSR.......... A L 0-1 ECQ
13/10/1971 USSR.......... H D 1-1 ECQ
20/05/1972 Scotland...... H L 0-2 BC
23/05/1972 England....... A W 1-0 BC
27/05/1972 Wales......... A D 0-0 BC
18/10/1972 Bulgaria...... A L 0-3 WCQ
14/02/1973 Cyprus........ A L 0-1 WCQ

The above also explains why the "incredulity" amongst NI fans which I recall was how DD could be so consistently deadly for his club, whilst misfiring consistently for his country.


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Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

Fck sake did I login to the wrong forum. 

Theres no football happening, not even a football transfer to speak of. 

Cant be a surprise that this forum will go on a bit of a tangent.


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Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

Fck sake did I login to the wrong forum. 

Back to The Sun, you boring fart. Good interesting stuff, Territorial, Green Cockade and others. 


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Originally posted by Mr Brick Mr Brick wrote:

Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

Fck sake did I login to the wrong forum. 

Back to The Sun, you boring fart. Good interesting stuff, Territorial, Green Cockade and others. 
👍Keep me in the loop brick if you and the boys start podcasting!
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Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

I really don't think Whiteside achieved enough to be in the team, either at club or international level.

I just came across a reference to Big Norm - 55 y.o. today btw - pointing out that he's the youngest player ever to have played 200 games for Man U - not Giggs, Best or Rashford etc.

Which is pretty remarkable for a 142 y.o. club with such a tradition of bringing through young players.
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Originally posted by Mr Brick Mr Brick wrote:

Originally posted by Baldrick Baldrick wrote:

Fck sake did I login to the wrong forum. 

Back to The Sun, you boring fart. Good interesting stuff, Territorial, Green Cockade and others. 

If the thread continues the way it’s going it will have to moved to
The rest of world section. 
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Giles doing this live on Newstalk at the moment.


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Originally posted by Drumcondra 69er Drumcondra 69er wrote:

Giles doing this live on Newstalk at the moment.


 

Thanks for the heads up.

Johnny's team:-

Given
Tony Dunne
Irwin
Hurley
McGrath
Ronnie Whelan
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Just on Dougan, I found that there was a biography of him written not long ago. It was supposed to be an autobiography written with a journalist, but Dougan died not long after it started. If it is well written the subject matter should be interesting.

Sorry Baldy!
Greed has won, big finance has won. Whatever small role elite clubs still play in the local communities from which they grew is dwarfed now by their position as global brands.
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                                                Given

Irwin                McGrath                    Dunne                Aim the gyaffer


  Houghton                             Townsend           Keane                 Duff


                                   Keane                  Aldridge/Quinn
Disregard the ice warnings and proceed full steam ahead. We are making great time. I want that trans Atlantic record! And turn off that bloody infernal Morse Code system!

Aye aye captain
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Originally posted by Trap junior Trap junior wrote:

                                                Given

Irwin                McGrath                    Dunne                Aim the gyaffer


  Houghton                             Townsend           Keane                 Duff


                                   Keane                  Aldridge/Quinn

Good to see you back Tj.

The place wasn't the same without you.
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Originally posted by Double Maxim Double Maxim wrote:

Originally posted by Trap junior Trap junior wrote:

                                                Given

Irwin                McGrath                    Dunne                Aim the gyaffer


  Houghton                             Townsend           Keane                 Duff


                                   Keane                  Aldridge/Quinn

Good to see you back Tj.

The place wasn't the same without you.


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Given

Coleman
Dunne
Cunningham
Irwin

McAteer
Holland
Roy
Duff

Robbie
Quinn


Full back is a position where we've had good options strangely enough. Bench of Randolph, Doherty, Staunton, Harte, Kinsella, Wes and big Cas


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