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I cannot get my head around the fact that this rule is still in place. It defies all logic and fairness.
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Originally posted by Hans Moleman Hans Moleman wrote:

Of all the bullsh*t rules across even the most farcical of sports, this is easily the worst. What a joke of a rule. European Cup ties being decided for years now on nothingness basically. If the aggregate in a tie is 2-2, why is one team through and the other out! For a sport that has made many progressive rule changes through the years, it's ludicrous that this bag of sh*te of a rule is still in place.
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As much as I'm pro the rule it does kill a tie like tonight which makes what Liverpool did against Dortmund even more impressive.

It's a necessary rule imo as you had the ball boys having the football straight back to the Bayern set piece taker/ designated thrower as soon as it went out. You need something to balance that.

If you take the rule away what incentive is a team going to have to score particularly if they're considerably weaker than the other side.

Overall like the back pass it's a fairer rule imo even though it has cost Ireland and United dearly in years before.

I think some people on here are against it because it inconveniences their evening's entertainment in front of the tele. I'll admit I'd love to have seen extra time for selfish couch   potato reasons but it's an excellent rule as it gives an edge to a tie.
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Just because there was an even more sh*te rule in place to separate teams 50 years ago, doesn't make the away goals rule any good. It is a pointless, farce of a rule.

Penalties are a far fairer way of dealing with a 2 leg aggregate game that is level at the end. As is extra time.

I still have never heard a single decent reason why the away goals rule is actually an effective and fair rule. The only things I ever hear are like above, where there was a worse rule before so that somehow makes the away goals worthwhile now! Doesn't make any sense. Or that penalties/extra time are far less fair. Again this makes zero sense.
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I'm OK with the rule. But does the away rule apply in the second leg if the match goes to extra time?
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The Liverpool equaliser killed the tie at Old Trafford in the Europa but Liverpool did what United couldn't and score away so as sickened as I was I never thought that's an unfair rule even if it happens to Ireland.
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Originally posted by irishmufc irishmufc wrote:

As much as I'm pro the rule it does kill a tie like tonight which makes what Liverpool did against Dortmund even more impressive.

It's a necessary rule imo as you had the ball boys having the football straight back to the Bayern set piece taker/ designated thrower as soon as it went out. You need something to balance that.

If you take the rule away what incentive is a team going to have to score particularly if they're considerably weaker than the other side.

Overall like the back pass it's a fairer rule imo even though it has cost Ireland and United dearly in years before.

I think some people on here are against it because it inconveniences their evening's entertainment in front of the tele. I'll admit I'd love to have seen extra time for selfish couch   potato reasons but it's an excellent rule as it gives an edge to a tie.

You have said nothing at all that actually has meaning as to why the rule is actually fair. Which is the main reason any rule should be in place - fairness to both sides competing. Nothing to to do with tv entertainment or any of that lark.

How can anyone say that Atletico deserved to win a tie that finished 2-2 after 180 minutes because they scored 1 goal in each match, while Bayern scored both in a single game? There is no rhyme or reason to it any more. It is a rule that is 30/40 years past its sell by date.
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Originally posted by Hans Moleman Hans Moleman wrote:

Originally posted by irishmufc irishmufc wrote:

As much as I'm pro the rule it does kill a tie like tonight which makes what Liverpool did against Dortmund even more impressive.

It's a necessary rule imo as you had the ball boys having the football straight back to the Bayern set piece taker/ designated thrower as soon as it went out. You need something to balance that.

If you take the rule away what incentive is a team going to have to score particularly if they're considerably weaker than the other side.

Overall like the back pass it's a fairer rule imo even though it has cost Ireland and United dearly in years before.

I think some people on here are against it because it inconveniences their evening's entertainment in front of the tele. I'll admit I'd love to have seen extra time for selfish couch   potato reasons but it's an excellent rule as it gives an edge to a tie.


You have said nothing at all that actually has meaning as to why the rule is actually fair. Which is the main reason any rule should be in place - fairness to both sides competing. Nothing to to do with tv entertainment or any of that lark.

How can anyone say that Atletico deserved to win a tie that finished 2-2 after 180 minutes because they scored 1 goal in each match, while Bayern scored both in a single game? There is no rhyme or reason to it any more. It is a rule that is 30/40 years past its sell by date.


What difference does it make if it was 30/40 years ago?

No problem with it, it encourages teams playing away to have a go, both sides have an away leg to take advantage of it. Only becomes unfair for me if the second leg goes to extra time as the away team gets an extra 30 minutes to get one but that's countered somewhat by the home team having an extra 30 minutes at their ground.
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The rule was brought in because the difference between playing at home or away was much larger in those days, as can be seen in results like the aforementioned Celtic game in 1970, win 3-0 at home and lose 3-0 away and to encourage the away team to attack. While there is still an obvious advantage to playing at home, it isn't as stark a contrast as 30/40 years ago and the very reason it was brought in has reversed, teams are now often playing quite cautiously at home. In a close tie between two similarly matched teams many coaches will be happy with a scoreless draw at home. I felt it was an excellent result for Man City last week for example.
Another major issue I have with the rule, which was touched upon by eireland's question, is the fact that the team playing away second has an extra half hour in which to score an away goal should the tie be level on all fronts. I remember an exciting european tie between Celtic and Bordeaux being ended as a contest by a Bordeaux goal early in extra time at Celtic Park in a tie where there was very little between the 2 teams over 180 minutes. It has served it's time but should no longer be a factor in deciding top games.


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Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

The rule was brought in because the difference between playing at home or away was much larger in those days, as can be seen in results like the aforementioned Celtic game in 1970, win 3-0 at home and lose 3-0 away and to encourage the away team to attack. While there is still an obvious advantage to playing at home, it isn't as stark a contrast as 30/40 years ago and the very reason has brought on has reversed, teams are now often playing quite cautiously at home. In a close tie between two similarly matched teams many coaches will be happy with a scoreless draw at home. I felt it was an excellent result for Man City last week for example.
Another major issue I have with the rule, which was touched upon by eireland's question, is the fact that the team playing away second has an extra half hour in which to score an away goal should the tie be level on all fronts. I remember an exciting european tie between Celtic and Bordeaux being ended as a contest by a Bordeaux goal early in extra time at Celtic Park in a tie where there was very little between the 2 teams over 180 minutes. It has served it's time but should no longer be a factor in deciding top games.

Spot on. The rule is outdated by 30/40 years and worst of all the very reason it was brought in {so away sides would be more positive in their approach}, has now been flipped on its head and you now see home teams being very very negative to not give away that away goal of at all possible.

There is not a single reason I have ever heard still that outlines why this rule is in any way fair. Just because people may have negative stances about whether on not the likes of penalties/extra time/replays are the right way to separate teams level on aggregate, doesn't actually mean then that the away goals rules is a good rule.
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Well summed up by Pre Madonna. I always thought it was a decent rule until a couple of years ago when posters here made valid points for getting rid of it. If my club was home in the first leg , a nil all draw wouldn't be a bad result as a score draw away would see us through. When you go through all the pros and cons its an outdated rule which is not fair for the extra time reference made above , and it doesn't encourage more attacking play in general.
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There's one obvious solution where games are tied after two legs....a life size game of Buckaroo between the managers. Of course you would need to check the saddle bags for lead, some managers will do anything to win.

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I would pay to watch LVG vs Ranieri in Buckaroo or Wenger vs Jose Mourinho
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It feels like it was purely luck tho the rules is fairly right but for me I'll hope there is a match decider like in NBA lol 
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Originally posted by eireland eireland wrote:

I'm OK with the rule. But does the away rule apply in the second leg if the match goes to extra time?
 
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Think it needs scrapped.

Even in the first leg of games you can see the home team retreat in last twenty minutes of the game in fear of losing an away goal.
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Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

The rule was brought in because the difference between playing at home or away was much larger in those days, as can be seen in results like the aforementioned Celtic game in 1970, win 3-0 at home and lose 3-0 away and to encourage the away team to attack. While there is still an obvious advantage to playing at home, it isn't as stark a contrast as 30/40 years ago and the very reason it was brought in has reversed, teams are now often playing quite cautiously at home. In a close tie between two similarly matched teams many coaches will be happy with a scoreless draw at home. I felt it was an excellent result for Man City last week for example.
Another major issue I have with the rule, which was touched upon by eireland's question, is the fact that the team playing away second has an extra half hour in which to score an away goal should the tie be level on all fronts. I remember an exciting european tie between Celtic and Bordeaux being ended as a contest by a Bordeaux goal early in extra time at Celtic Park in a tie where there was very little between the 2 teams over 180 minutes. It has served it's time but should no longer be a factor in deciding top games.
 
Some good points raised here. I think at least for a starter they should absolutely abolish the away goal rule in extra time. Whatever about the merits, or lack thereof, of the rule as a whole it is blatantly unfair for one team to have such an advantage over 30 minutes just because of the luck of the draw.
 
Let's start with getting rid of the extra time away goal nonsense first and then hopefully further down the line scrap the rule altogether for reasons already stated in this thread.
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Originally posted by Drumcondra 69er Drumcondra 69er wrote:

Originally posted by Hans Moleman Hans Moleman wrote:

Originally posted by irishmufc irishmufc wrote:

As much as I'm pro the rule it does kill a tie like tonight which makes what Liverpool did against Dortmund even more impressive.

It's a necessary rule imo as you had the ball boys having the football straight back to the Bayern set piece taker/ designated thrower as soon as it went out. You need something to balance that.

If you take the rule away what incentive is a team going to have to score particularly if they're considerably weaker than the other side.

Overall like the back pass it's a fairer rule imo even though it has cost Ireland and United dearly in years before.

I think some people on here are against it because it inconveniences their evening's entertainment in front of the tele. I'll admit I'd love to have seen extra time for selfish couch   potato reasons but it's an excellent rule as it gives an edge to a tie.


You have said nothing at all that actually has meaning as to why the rule is actually fair. Which is the main reason any rule should be in place - fairness to both sides competing. Nothing to to do with tv entertainment or any of that lark.

How can anyone say that Atletico deserved to win a tie that finished 2-2 after 180 minutes because they scored 1 goal in each match, while Bayern scored both in a single game? There is no rhyme or reason to it any more. It is a rule that is 30/40 years past its sell by date.


What difference does it make if it was 30/40 years ago?

No problem with it, it encourages teams playing away to have a go, both sides have an away leg to take advantage of it. Only becomes unfair for me if the second leg goes to extra time as the away team gets an extra 30 minutes to get one but that's countered somewhat by the home team having an extra 30 minutes at their ground.

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