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What can you say really. What sort of system lets a **** like him go scot free? There are many who are complicit in this from law makers to politicians. Reflects very badly on this government who came in on the promise of change and a lot of goodwill but have done a steady if very unspectacular job.
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Originally posted by Saint Tom Saint Tom wrote:

So it's not bad enough that we have to stump up €35 odd billion but now we are left with another bill fur a botched investigation and probable legal costs. What a joke

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Enda Kenny is making him Minister for Finance


Couldn't be worse than Charlie McReevy. A far bigger gangster than Seanie Fitz
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Not surprised but still disgusted. All we can hope now is that he gets done on the other charges that SD talked about there.
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In fairness, he wasn't involved in the day to day running of the bank at the time. Had David Drumm been on trial rather than hiding in 'Murica, I'd say we'd have the lynching some are looking for.

Thankfully though, we have the rule of law and a jury that have sat through twelve weeks of a trial, heard all the evidence proffered by the State and deliberated on it for days have reached a verdict on that basis, rather than on the basis of what the populist papers and tv news soundbites tell them.
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Originally posted by SuperDave84 SuperDave84 wrote:

In fairness, he wasn't involved in the day to day running of the bank at the time. Had David Drumm been on trial rather than hiding in 'Murica, I'd say we'd have the lynching some are looking for.

Thankfully though, we have the rule of law and a jury that have sat through twelve weeks of a trial, heard all the evidence proffered by the State and deliberated on it for days have reached a verdict on that basis, rather than on the basis of what the populist papers and tv news soundbites tell them.
 
I'm afraid this country's 'rule of law' is a sad joke, and this has only been further evidenced by the outcome to this trail. Seems all too easy for those convicted of severe white collar crime to slime away via one avenue or another. Surely if this trial took place in somewhere like the States, under US law, these three absolute chancers would be looking at some serious jail time.
 
Let's just keep our fingers crossed that Seanie Fitz doesn't pay some minor fine or other - he should be hunted down like a dog then. Stern Smile
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Originally posted by Devrozex Devrozex wrote:

Originally posted by SuperDave84 SuperDave84 wrote:

In fairness, he wasn't involved in the day to day running of the bank at the time. Had David Drumm been on trial rather than hiding in 'Murica, I'd say we'd have the lynching some are looking for.

Thankfully though, we have the rule of law and a jury that have sat through twelve weeks of a trial, heard all the evidence proffered by the State and deliberated on it for days have reached a verdict on that basis, rather than on the basis of what the populist papers and tv news soundbites tell them.
 
I'm afraid this country's 'rule of law' is a sad joke, and this has only been further evidenced by the outcome to this trail. Seems all too easy for those convicted of severe white collar crime to slime away via one avenue or another. Surely if this trial took place in somewhere like the States, under US law, these three absolute chancers would be looking at some serious jail time.
 
Let's just keep our fingers crossed that Seanie Fitz doesn't pay some minor fine or other - he should be hunted down like a dog then. Stern Smile


http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/se%C3%A1n-fitzpatrick-acquittal-defence-rested-on-his-hands-off-role-at-anglo-1.1764390

Seanie wasn't guilty here: Drumm was the main man. Seanie was a non-executive Chairman, not involved in the day to day running of the business. More to the point, this trial isn't over. The jury are still deliberating in respect of the other two lads. In respect of your bit in bold, two questions: 1) did you sit through the twelve weeks of evidence along with the jury; 2) do you not have faith in trial by a jury of your peers? If the answer to the first one is no, then what are you basing your lack of faith in the verdict on, and if the answer to the second one is no, then why not, where the jury have sat through all the evidence first hand and you haven't? It's very, very easy to criticise the jury system but it's very very hard to prove, from a distance, that the decision was wrong.

Seanie hasn't been convicted on anything, at least in respect of the Maple 10 and Quinn loans, after a trial by a jury of his peers. The fact is that the loans to Irish Nationwide issue is still outstanding.
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1) I was not. 2) I have exceptionally little faith in our legal and indeed political system, more so than the jury that arrived at this verdict.
 
As you say the issue with the loans to IN is still in the pipeline, but I think it's safe to say that I, and I would imagine many others, are not expecting a different result. This trial has received global coverage and yet again we have made ourselves into an absolute laughing stock. As another poster has pointed out also once again it'll be left to Mr. Taxpayer to foot the bill for this show trial. Between all this garbage and the incumbent government's current policies it's amazing there aren't even more people emigrating imo.
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Originally posted by Devrozex Devrozex wrote:

1) I was not. 2) I have exceptionally little faith in our legal and indeed political system, more so than the jury that arrived at this verdict.
 
As you say the issue with the loans to IN is still in the pipeline, but I think it's safe to say that I, and I would imagine many others, are not expecting a different result. This trial has received global coverage and yet again we have made ourselves into an absolute laughing stock. As another poster has pointed out also once again it'll be left to Mr. Taxpayer to foot the bill for this show trial. Between all this garbage and the incumbent government's current policies it's amazing there aren't even more people emigrating imo.


If it was a show trial in the traditional sense, Seanie wouldn't have got a fair hearing and would have been summarily convicted. As it was, he received a fair trial and was acquitted by a jury of his peers. I have no difficulty with the result.
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I thought the judge directed an acquittal rather than the jury deliberating on the evidence and finding him not guilty.

To be fair I haven't really been followingit just picking up bits here and there
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Originally posted by da scientist da scientist wrote:

Originally posted by Saint Tom Saint Tom wrote:

So it's not bad enough that we have to stump up €35 odd billion but now we are left with another bill fur a botched investigation and probable legal costs. What a joke


vote no.1 the labour party!!
what Have labour got to do with it? Wasn't on this watch and they were the only party who voted against the guarantee.
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Whelan and McAteer guilty on charges of providing unlawful loans to the maple 10, not guilty on chaeges of providing unlawful loans to the Quinns.
 
Sentencing on the 28th.
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Originally posted by Hoosay Hoosay wrote:

Whelan and McAteer guilty on charges of providing unlawful loans to the maple 10, not guilty on chaeges of providing unlawful loans to the Quinns.
 

Sentencing on the 28th.


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Originally posted by da scientist da scientist wrote:

Originally posted by Saint Tom Saint Tom wrote:

So it's not bad enough that we have to stump up €35 odd billion but now we are left with another bill fur a botched investigation and probable legal costs. What a joke

vote no.1 the labour party!!
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Originally posted by corkery corkery wrote:

Originally posted by da scientist da scientist wrote:

Originally posted by Saint Tom Saint Tom wrote:

So it's not bad enough that we have to stump up €35 odd billion but now we are left with another bill fur a botched investigation and probable legal costs. What a joke


vote no.1 the labour party!!

The Government and the Judiciary are completely seperate.



That's the theory anyway
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