Andy Reid - I wont beg

But come on Bunter, how can Andy be considered inferior to Liam Miller or Andy Keogh or even Whelan and Andrews who've been in the Irish team?  I know who I'd choose in terms of ability, being able to get on the ball, being able to deliver a decent set piece more often than not, pick out a decent through pass and have the ability to score the odd goal.  I understand and agree that we've done well with Andrews/Whelan/S. Reid but Andy's absence from the panel is plain wrong and unfair.

filthymcnasty wrote: If Andy Reid turned mysteriously turned into Christiano Ronaldo overnight, Trap still wouldn't pick him.  By all accounts, all the man did was knock out a few tunes on the geetar and Trap wasn't impressed.  I bet it was f**king Wonderwall....

All he did he bang out a few tunes on the guiter!!!???

For f@*k sake, he completely undermined the manager and threw a strop!!! The lads were drinking their arses off well past the agreed curfew four days before a qualifying match and Andy says to Trap he's going to carry on boozing and his guitar playing. Most likely because he wasn't going to be in the team against Montenegro. I've made this point before, but Andy completely presumed he'd be first on the team list with Steven Reid for centre midfield, even saying something along the lines of "Steven can do the running and I'll do the passing". He then didn't turn up for the training camp in Portugal for dubious reasons and subsequently thought he should be in the team for the qualifiers!!! FFS!!!!

Have we learned nothing about preparation and professionalism in the last 6 years??? Are still going carry on as the jolly, feckin' eggit Irish? I, for one, detest the disrespect sometimes shown by the players to Irish fans who are willing travel and support their team across the world, and then are rewarded with a pi*s poor level of professionalism. No problems if there's no important matches coming up, even friendlies, fair enough. But a World Cup qualifying match!!!? Ridiculous behaviour. And just because 'the others were doing it too' doesn't make it ok. It seems Andy Reid was the ring leader and was out to make a statement that he was unhappy in the camp. Grand, you're not happy, you're not coming back.

Billy Bunter hit the nail on the head - "If Andy reid is the yardstick that Trap sent a message to the players early on that he wont put up with any pi$$ ups and stupid shenanigans, then i'm ok with that." I'm totally in agreement with that sentiment.

All these calls among fans for his inclusion and the fact remains that he hasn't been a success at either Spurs or Sunderland and only this season he's bothered to lose that extra weight. About fu*king time...

Having said all that I'm all for second chances and he hasn't criticised the manager a al Joey O'Brien, which is good. Andy's seemingly got his head down at last so should probably be considered at some stage IF he continues to improve and makes the Sunderland team. Scoring two well taken goals against Norwich for the second string ain't enough in my book yet though.

Also, don't forget that he isn't really a player that fits into Trap's thinking. And before anyone criticises our manager remember this is the system that has got us into a fantastic position to qualify for our first Finals for 8 years. Ireland regularly go through long periods without possession - irrespective of the opposition. Reid simply isn't the player for this kind of situation.

Oh and before anyone mentions Liam Miller, well Jesus I can't explain that one, that's madness. He shouldn't be in the Squad. But as for Andy Reid, he can work at it a while longer as far as I'm concerned and we can see what happens then.

nedge wrote: filthymcnasty wrote: If Andy Reid turned mysteriously turned into Christiano Ronaldo overnight, Trap still wouldn't pick him.  By all accounts, all the man did was knock out a few tunes on the geetar and Trap wasn't impressed.  I bet it was f**king Wonderwall.... All he did he bang out a few tunes on the guiter!!!??? For f@*k sake, he completely undermined the manager and threw a strop!!! The lads were drinking their arses off well past the agreed curfew four days before a qualifying match and Andy says to Trap he's going to carry on boozing and his guitar playing. Most likely because he wasn't going to be in the team against Montenegro. I've made this point before, but Andy completely presumed he'd be first on the team list with Steven Reid for centre midfield, even saying something along the lines of "Steven can do the running and I'll do the passing". He then didn't turn up for the training camp in Portugal for dubious reasons and subsequently thought he should be in the team for the qualifiers!!! FFS!!!! Have we learned nothing about preparation and professionalism in the last 6 years??? Are still going carry on as the jolly, feckin' eggit Irish? I, for one, detest the disrespect sometimes shown by the players to Irish fans who are willing travel and support their team across the world, and then are rewarded with a pi*s poor level of professionalism. No problems if there's no important matches coming up, even friendlies, fair enough. But a World Cup qualifying match!!!? Ridiculous behaviour. And just because 'the others were doing it too' doesn't make it ok. It seems Andy Reid was the ring leader and was out to make a statement that he was unhappy in the camp. Grand, you're not happy, you're not coming back. Billy Bunter hit the nail on the head - "If Andy reid is the yardstick that Trap sent a message to the players early on that he wont put up with any pi$$ ups and stupid shenanigans, then i'm ok with that." I'm totally in agreement with that sentiment. All these calls among fans for his inclusion and the fact remains that he hasn't been a success at either Spurs or Sunderland and only this season he's bothered to lose that extra weight. About fu*king time... Having said all that I'm all for second chances and he hasn't criticised the manager a al Joey O'Brien, which is good. Andy's seemingly got his head down at last so should probably be considered at some stage IF he continues to improve and makes the Sunderland team. Scoring two well taken goals against Norwich for the second string ain't enough in my book yet though. Also, don't forget that he isn't really a player that fits into Trap's thinking. And before anyone criticises our manager remember this is the system that has got us into a fantastic position to qualify for our first Finals for 8 years. Ireland regularly go through long periods without possession - irrespective of the opposition. Reid simply isn't the player for this kind of situation. Oh and before anyone mentions Liam Miller, well Jesus I can't explain that one, that's madness. He shouldn't be in the Squad. But as for Andy Reid, he can work at it a while longer as far as I'm concerned and we can see what happens then.

How about playing reid on the left wing and duffer on the right? McGeady hasnt had one good game for us

Reidy on the scoresheet and played a stormer today apparently, keep it up Andy and hopefully you'll give Trap no choice but to recall you 

Smashing finish today, he's really putting it up to Trap now! Deserves to be getting a look!

Mafi Mushkila wrote: Smashing finish today, he's really putting it up to Trap now! Deserves to be getting a look!

Reminded me of a late winner v WHU @ the SOL a couple of seasons ago.

Yep, on the wing!

Defo deserves a place in the squad