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Originally posted by rolo rolo wrote:

Originally posted by Liam Green Liam Green wrote:

Originally posted by rolo rolo wrote:

Late equaliser for Northern Ireland. 
Reading your posts earlier Rolo so that’s a good result for our rankings ya ? 
NI were very good playing with 10 men for 50mins

See the post above yours.

Didnt see NI game.

I was watching Slovakia v Czech Rep in first half then Italy Bosnia in second half.

Slovakia are beatable, Bosnia would be very tough if we make it to the final.
Cheers for that. All Good 
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Seedings Update after 1st Round of Nations League:

Just one game last night involving the teams in the mix for the 2nd Pot.

Iceland were beaten by England. Thus the former dropped 4.8 points.



So, on completion of one round of Nations League games, the relevant seedings are as follows:



17 Serbia 1486.2
18 Turkey 1485.4
19 Rep of Ireland 1484.5
20 Slovakia 1481.9
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21 Russia 1477.8
22 Northern Ireland 1476
23 Romania 1475
24 Iceland 1460.2


It's good news for us that Turkey, Serbia and Russia are in the same Nations League group. In every single round two of those three will play each other, and so they'll keep taking points off each other.
Today it's Serbia against Turkey. 

We've had some very favourable results in the first round, with most of the teams around us slipping up. But we need to start picking up points.
A win needed today against Finland.

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If we win and Serbia v Turkey finishes a draw, I assume we leapfrog them in to 17th?

Are those in 16th, 15th, 14th, etc. Miles ahead of the group you have listed?
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Originally posted by Lenny82 Lenny82 wrote:

If we win and Serbia v Turkey finishes a draw, I assume we leapfrog them in to 17th?

Are those in 16th, 15th, 14th, etc. Miles ahead of the group you have listed?

I like yer style...let's aim to reach Pot One Tongue
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we in trouble now? Not that that team would have a hope of qualifying 
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we in trouble now? Not that that team would have a hope of qualifying 
Did you think we had a chance 4 days ago?
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Originally posted by FrankosHereNow FrankosHereNow wrote:

Originally posted by cildaratown cildaratown wrote:

we in trouble now? Not that that team would have a hope of qualifying 
Did you think we had a chance 4 days ago?


LOL

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When is the draw?
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Originally posted by max max wrote:

When is the draw?

End of November I think
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Originally posted by Denis Irwin Denis Irwin wrote:

Originally posted by FrankosHereNow FrankosHereNow wrote:

Originally posted by cildaratown cildaratown wrote:

we in trouble now? Not that that team would have a hope of qualifying 
Did you think we had a chance 4 days ago?


LOL

Some amount of knee jerk sh*te tonight
I know, it’s so bloody irritating. Kenny’s has 2 games and a few training sessions. Ridiculous some of the comments.
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Originally posted by cildaratown cildaratown wrote:

we in trouble now? Not that that team would have a hope of qualifying 

Still plenty of games to go.

I'll work out the latest seedings, but even if its bad, still a long way to go.
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Seedings Update after the early games today:


Ireland's loss to Finland sees us lose a significant 8.9 points.

Russia's win against Hungary gives them 6.5 points.

So, the seedings currently are:



17 Serbia 1486.2
18 Turkey 1485.4
19 Russia 1484.3
20 Slovakia 1481.9
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21 Northern Ireland 1476
22 Rep of Ireland 1475.6
23 Romania 1475
24 Iceland 1460.2



Serbia play Turkey at 19.45. 

A win for Serbia would give them 7.7 points, and Turkey would lose the same amount. 
A draw would give Serbia 0.2 points and Turkey would lose the same amount.
A win for Turkey would give them 7.3 points, and Serbia would lose the same amount. 


Edited by rolo - 06 Sep 2020 at 7:37pm
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Seedings Update:



Serbia 0-0 Turkey



17 Serbia 1486.4
18 Turkey 1485.2
19 Russia 1484.3
20 Slovakia 1481.9
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21 Northern Ireland 1476
22 Rep of Ireland 1475.6
23 Romania 1475
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Looks like our play-off v. Slovakia could have added significance now..
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we would be very weak second seeds should we make it to pot 2.

Always a danger of NL or Germany dropping into pot 2 which would make pot 3 job impossible
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Originally posted by Joe Stalin Joe Stalin wrote:

Looks like our play-off v. Slovakia could have added significance now..


Was thinking this earlier too.

Russia will probably kick on now, two wins from two already and we aren't going to catch them.

We need two of the teams above what I call the trap door to slip up. Pinning hopes on Slovakia and one of Turkey and Serbia. 

I was thinking the draw between Turkey and Serbia wasn't ideal. Probably need one of those two to have a very poor Nations League and lose lots of games. But now if Russia could maybe continue their run and beat both of those teams home and away, that draw wouldn't be too bad.  

We also need the teams below us to have a poor Nations League.

We need Austria to beat Romania tomorrow and Norway to beat NI, ideally. As long as Romania and NI don't win, that'll be helpful, but defeats would be much better.


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Originally posted by Joe Stalin Joe Stalin wrote:

Looks like our play-off v. Slovakia could have added significance now..

Assuming the updated scores are correct, and these are used for the Slovakia playoff, this is what happens.

IRL win -> IRL new score 1489 (+13)
IRL win -> SVK new score 1469 (-13)
SVK win -> IRL new score 1464 (-12)
SVK win -> SVK new score 1494 (+12)
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What date are the rankings taken into account, with all 5 of our remaining games this year being used?

Hard to see us reaching 20th in that ranking table above unless we beat Slovakia.
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