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shame on liverpool supporters for the disgraceful treatment of tom hicks and george gillett,decent men,plans in place to build a new stadium,money there to pay off the loans and (this is a fact as rafa would say) in their time as owners they spent over 300million on players,the third highest in England in the period.dont blame the yanks for the fact steve g and torres are over rated and rafa bought sh*t players
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Originally posted by RoyKeanesPants RoyKeanesPants wrote:

shame on liverpool supporters for the disgraceful treatment of tom hicks and george gillett,decent men,plans in place to build a new stadium,money there to pay off the loans and (this is a fact as rafa would say) in their time as owners they spent over 300million on players,the third highest in England in the period.dont blame the yanks for the fact steve g and torres are over rated and rafa bought sh*t players


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300 million?? well here it goes so..

They took over Liverpool in February 2007, the year we lost to Milan in the CL finals. Over the four years, they "spent" £41.345m (2007) , £17.47m in (2008) and "recouped" £14.016m in (2009) and "recouped" approx £7m in 2010.
The difference is over the four years is approx £37m.

2007

IN (26)
Fernando Torres (Atletico Madrid, £20.2m); Javier Mascherano (West Ham United, £18.6m); Ryan Babel (Ajax, £11.5m); Lucas Leiva (Gremio, £6m); Yossi Benayoun (West Ham United, £5m); Alvaro Arbeloa (Deportivo La Coruna, £2.6m); S Leto (Lanus, £1.85m); Mikel San Jose (Athletic Bilbao, £270,000); Krisztian Nemeth (MTK, £100,000); Dani Pacheco (Barcelona, £100,000); Alexander Kacaniklic (Helsingborgs, £75,000); Andriy Voronin (Bayer Leverkusen, free); Emiliano Insua (Boca Juniors, £1.3m); Charles Itandje (Lens, free); Damien Plessis (Lyons, free); Mikail Alexandrov (CSKA Sofia, nominal); Jordy Brouwer (Ajax, nominal); Gerardo Bruna (Real Madrid, nominal); Ryan Crowther (Stockport County, nominal); Francisco Manuel Duran (Malaga, nominal); Ronald Huth (Tacuary FC, nominal); Gary Mackay Steven (Ross County, nominal); Nikolay Mihaylov (Levski Sofia, nominal); Marvin Pourie (Borussia Dortmund, nominal); Andras Simon (MTK Hungaria, nominal); Danielle Padelli (Sampdoria, loan).

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Craig Bellamy (West Ham United, £7.5m); Djibril Cisse (Marseille, £6m); Mark Gonzalez (Real Betis, £4.2m); Luis Garcia (Atletico Madrid, £4m); Florent Sinama-Pongolle (Recreativo Huelva, £2.7m); Stephen Warnock (Blackburn Rovers, £1.5m); Darren Potter (Wolverhampton Wanderers, £250,000); Daniel O’Donnell (Crewe Alexandra, £100,000); Salif Diao (Stoke City, free); Jerzy Dudek (Real Madrid, free); Robbie Fowler (Cardiff City, free); Gabriel Paletta (Boca Juniors, free); Boudewijn Zenden (Marseille, free); David Mannix (Ham-Kam, free); Jay Smith (Stockport County, free); Francisco Manuel Duran (released); Dave Roberts (released); Daniele Padelli (Sampdoria, end of loan).

Therefore: Spent £67.595m; Recouped £26.25; Net Spend £41.345m


2008

IN (14)
Robbie Keane (Tottenham Hotspur, £20.3m); Albert Riera (Espanyol, £8m); Andrea Dossena (Udinese, £7m); Martin Skrtel (Zenit St Petersburg, £6.5m); Diego Cavalieri (Palmeiras, £3.5m); David Ngog (Paris St Germain, £1.5m); Alex Cooper (Ross County, £100,000); Philipp Degen (Borussia Dortmund, free); Lauri Dalla Valle (Jippo, nominal); Vitor Flora (Botafogo, nominal); Peter Gulacsi (MTK Hungaria, nominal); Emmanuel Mendy (Murcia Deportivo, nominal); Nikola Saric (Herfolge, nominal); Vincent Lucas Weijl (AZ Alkmaar, nominal).

OUT (15)
Peter Crouch (Portsmouth, £11m); Mohammed Sissoko (Juventus, £8.2m); John Arne Riise (AS Roma, £3.98m); Scott Carson (West Bromwich Albion, £3.75m); Danny Guthrie (Newcastle United, £2.5m); Steve Finnan (Espanyol, free); Harry Kewell (Galatasaray, free); Anthony Le Tallec (Le Mans, free); Besian Idrazaj (Wacker Tirol, free); Lee Peltier (Yeovil Town, free); San Jose Dominguez (released); Craig Lindfield (released); Ray Putterill (released); Miki Roque (released); James Smith (released).

Spent £46.9m; Recouped £29.43m; Net Spend £17.47m


2009

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Victor Palsson (Aarhus GF, £384,000), Alberto Aquilani (Roma, £20m), Chris Mavinga (Paris St Germain, undisclosed), Glen Johnson (Portsmouth, £17m), Sotirios Kyrgiakos (AEK Athens £2m)

OUT (9)
Robbie Keane (Tottenham Hotspur, £16m); Sami Hyypia (Bayer Leverkusen, free), J Hobbs (Leicester City, £150,000), Xabi Alonso (Real Madrid, £30m), Alvaro Arbeloa (Real Madrid, £3.5m), Jermaine Pennant (Real Zaragoza, free), Sebastian Leto (Panathinaikos, £3.5m), Paul Anderson (Nottingham Forest, £250,000), Adam Hammill (Barnsley)

Spent £39.384m; Recouped £53.4m; Net Spend (-£14.016m)

2010 has also seen the club with a minus figure for net spend!


Torres-Babel were secured as "eye wash" to gain support from the fans. Their deals which were secured via loans ran into problems when installments were not serviced promptly. Hopefully, the deals are completed by now! Mascherano's deal was a "window dressing" to convince the fans that their finance is still strong. As for Keane's deal, it was more of a "business gimmick" to hide or mask their financial problems. Sales of alonso, masherano and keane highlight this.

Liverpool was also riddled with debt and servicing debt cost 30 million a year! This is not the way to run a football club.

Hope yee read this and understand.

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Originally posted by Justice No. 1 Justice No. 1 wrote:

Originally posted by seaniemac seaniemac wrote:

Originally posted by Justice No. 1 Justice No. 1 wrote:

Michael Laudrup said he had the chance to join liverpool or juventus when he left brondby but joined juve cause they offered much higher wages
 Not entirely accurate.Van Bastan joined Milan instead of Everton in the 80's cause Liverpool fans got english clubs banned from Europe. Van Bastan wanted to play European Cup football. Laudrup went to Spain and Italy for similiar reasons. Granted clubs in Europe even in 80's could make more money in Europe.
 
 
Laudrup went to Juventus in '83, two years before the ban on English clubs in Europe. He went to Lazio on loan for two years cos of the 2 man foreigner limit in Serie A at the time so you're not fully correct there about his reasons.
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Originally posted by RoyKeanesPants RoyKeanesPants wrote:

shame on liverpool supporters for the disgraceful treatment of tom hicks and george gillett,decent men,plans in place to build a new stadium,money there to pay off the loans and (this is a fact as rafa would say) in their time as owners they spent over 300million on players,the third highest in England in the period.dont blame the yanks for the fact steve g and torres are over rated and rafa bought sh*t players
 
As said, that figure is way off! The last 2 years we have taking more money back in from player sales than have gone out. The years before our net outgoings were not too large either. I would say it was a nominal figure compared to other clubs on what we have spent on player buys
 
Edit: £9.5m net spend on players in their 3 years was the figure. I'd say compare that to the rest of the premier leagues clubs and we'd be near the bottom of the table. We did have a good squad before they came but we really would be wanting to be spend more if we were going to stay on par with the rest of the top clubs in the league. This is not a go at Utd as these arguments always turn into, I doubt they have spent that much in the last 3 years Net on players either.


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why havent the new owners paid the full debt off?

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Originally posted by Shoco Shoco wrote:

why havent the new owners paid the full debt off?
 
Don't think they are that rich to be honest. Not like Man City or Chelsea. That can't go on anymore anyway with new rules from 2012.
It's a business for them, not a play toy. I don't think we'll see a new stadium for a good few years. But once they are putting decent money into the squad I'll be happy with that.They said that's what they will do as they are "winners". I am not sure of the exact debt figure, but I am sure the business plan is to have a bit of debt that can be paid off over a number of years while still generating enough money to spend on the squad. The situation before was too much debt and interest on the debts that was eating up all of the revenue coming in. If they stay through to their word I am happy and then we'll see about the stadium. Probably end up sharing with Everton!
 
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Originally posted by t_rAndy t_rAndy wrote:

Originally posted by Shoco Shoco wrote:

why havent the new owners paid the full debt off?
 
Don't think they are that rich to be honest. Not like Man City or Chelsea. That can't go on anymore anyway with new rules from 2012.
It's a business for them, not a play toy. I don't think we'll see a new stadium for a good few years. But once they are putting decent money into the squad I'll be happy with that.They said that's what they will do as they are "winners". I am not sure of the exact debt figure, but I am sure the business plan is to have a bit of debt that can be paid off over a number of years while still generating enough money to spend on the squad. The situation before was too much debt and interest on the debts that was eating up all of the revenue coming in. If they stay through to their word I am happy and then we'll see about the stadium. Probably end up sharing with Everton!
 
Debt will be paid at 40 million a year, Thats the agreement between RBS + NESV. They have also confirmed that they would rather expand Anfield. Agree with you Andy, Really like the attitude of them as of now, But we'll see how things progress.

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Originally posted by Carmody 10 Carmody 10 wrote:

Originally posted by t_rAndy t_rAndy wrote:

Originally posted by Shoco Shoco wrote:

why havent the new owners paid the full debt off?
 
Don't think they are that rich to be honest. Not like Man City or Chelsea. That can't go on anymore anyway with new rules from 2012.
It's a business for them, not a play toy. I don't think we'll see a new stadium for a good few years. But once they are putting decent money into the squad I'll be happy with that.They said that's what they will do as they are "winners". I am not sure of the exact debt figure, but I am sure the business plan is to have a bit of debt that can be paid off over a number of years while still generating enough money to spend on the squad. The situation before was too much debt and interest on the debts that was eating up all of the revenue coming in. If they stay through to their word I am happy and then we'll see about the stadium. Probably end up sharing with Everton!
 
Debt will be paid at 40 million a year, Thats the agreement between RBS + NESV. They have also confirmed that they would rather expand Anfield. Agree with you Andy, Really like the attitude of them as of now, But we'll see how things progress.
 
Don't think that has been confirmed. Sure we had problems with that before, lack of space!
 
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liverpool have bought a lot of the houses around the main stand so that could easily be developed the kop could get bigger as a result but the anfield road end has no hope its like the north stand of the aviva
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Originally posted by devondudley devondudley wrote:

liverpool have bought a lot of the houses around the main stand so that could easily be developed the kop could get bigger as a result but the anfield road end has no hope its like the north stand of the aviva
 
I'm nearly sure there are a few houses on that row they can't get their hands on. If they did, they wouldn't need to move! There's more room behind the A Road end!!
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Originally posted by t_rAndy t_rAndy wrote:

Originally posted by Carmody 10 Carmody 10 wrote:

Originally posted by t_rAndy t_rAndy wrote:

Originally posted by Shoco Shoco wrote:

why havent the new owners paid the full debt off?
 
Don't think they are that rich to be honest. Not like Man City or Chelsea. That can't go on anymore anyway with new rules from 2012.
It's a business for them, not a play toy. I don't think we'll see a new stadium for a good few years. But once they are putting decent money into the squad I'll be happy with that.They said that's what they will do as they are "winners". I am not sure of the exact debt figure, but I am sure the business plan is to have a bit of debt that can be paid off over a number of years while still generating enough money to spend on the squad. The situation before was too much debt and interest on the debts that was eating up all of the revenue coming in. If they stay through to their word I am happy and then we'll see about the stadium. Probably end up sharing with Everton!
 
Debt will be paid at 40 million a year, Thats the agreement between RBS + NESV. They have also confirmed that they would rather expand Anfield. Agree with you Andy, Really like the attitude of them as of now, But we'll see how things progress.
 
Don't think that has been confirmed. Sure we had problems with that before, lack of space!
 
Watch the interview on the official website Andy, some dude representing NESV said "If possible and when it comes around, The opportunity to stay at Anfield and expand rather than leave it behind would be the option we would obviously prefer, But that's a long way from being decided".
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Originally posted by MayoMark MayoMark wrote:

Originally posted by devondudley devondudley wrote:

liverpool have bought a lot of the houses around the main stand so that could easily be developed the kop could get bigger as a result but the anfield road end has no hope its like the north stand of the aviva
 
I'm nearly sure there are a few houses on that row they can't get their hands on. If they did, they wouldn't need to move! There's more room behind the A Road end!!
Im sure they could build over the road at the anfield road end and have like a underpass through the road like the dart line going through landsdowne
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Originally posted by Carmody 10 Carmody 10 wrote:

Originally posted by t_rAndy t_rAndy wrote:

Originally posted by Carmody 10 Carmody 10 wrote:

Originally posted by t_rAndy t_rAndy wrote:

Originally posted by Shoco Shoco wrote:

why havent the new owners paid the full debt off?
 
Don't think they are that rich to be honest. Not like Man City or Chelsea. That can't go on anymore anyway with new rules from 2012.
It's a business for them, not a play toy. I don't think we'll see a new stadium for a good few years. But once they are putting decent money into the squad I'll be happy with that.They said that's what they will do as they are "winners". I am not sure of the exact debt figure, but I am sure the business plan is to have a bit of debt that can be paid off over a number of years while still generating enough money to spend on the squad. The situation before was too much debt and interest on the debts that was eating up all of the revenue coming in. If they stay through to their word I am happy and then we'll see about the stadium. Probably end up sharing with Everton!
 
Debt will be paid at 40 million a year, Thats the agreement between RBS + NESV. They have also confirmed that they would rather expand Anfield. Agree with you Andy, Really like the attitude of them as of now, But we'll see how things progress.
 
Don't think that has been confirmed. Sure we had problems with that before, lack of space!
 
Watch the interview on the official website Andy, some dude representing NESV said "If possible and when it comes around, The opportunity to stay at Anfield and expand rather than leave it behind would be the option we would obviously prefer, But that's a long way from being decided".
 
I think everyone prefered to stay at anfield but don't think it's possible based on the fact of no room to add that much to the attendance. Also the stadium would really be needed to be redesigned to have something similar to the Emirates for the corporate.
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