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    Posted: 30 Mar 2021 at 11:13pm
Just going down through a rabbithole of old World Cup clips on YouTube and I'm struck by the amount of empty seats there was at some of the games. Wonder was it simply down to the fact that not as many people would have been able to travel back then as they would be able to now and that tickets would have been expensive for the locals on the money they'd have been earning.
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Originally posted by Denis Irwin Denis Irwin wrote:

Just going down through a rabbithole of old World Cup clips on YouTube and I'm struck by the amount of empty seats there was at some of the games. Wonder was it simply down to the fact that not as many people would have been able to travel back then as they would be able to now and that tickets would have been expensive for the locals on the money they'd have been earning.
Air travel was very pricey  back then, so a trip to Mexico was hugely expensive for fans from abroad. Not sure about ticket prices. I recall the 3 UK countries did not have large support. Very difficult to get to Mexico on an inter rail ticket. 

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England did have the brilliant, and I believe accurate,  DHSS on Tour flag, so it was feasible on a budget. 
When was the first World Cup that every game sold out? I am sure there was still empty seats in France?  There certainly was in Italy and America. I am guessing that Korea/Japan might have? That was full FIFA at that stage.
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the stronger countries like Italy,Spain,Brazil etc never have many fans in the group games because they more than likely make it out of the group.their fans see it as a waste of money and will normally wait to the later rounds of tournaments to attend.
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Originally posted by JUICEBOMB JUICEBOMB wrote:

the stronger countries like Italy,Spain,Brazil etc never have many fans in the group games because they more than likely make it out of the group.their fans see it as a waste of money and will normally wait to the later rounds of tournaments to attend.
Certainly seemed the case for our Euro 2016 match v Italy in Lille - you could nearly count the number of Italians that were there, there was so few of them. LOL
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Some countries (eg Sweden) have a tradition of following their NT abroad in large numbers, others (eg Spain) don't.

Also there was a lot less money around, all countries, 35 years ago than now, with international travel being much more expensive in real terms. While Mexicans themselves were very poor, so couldn't afford to buy tickets for games involving other countries, while 99% of them had no chance of getting tickets for Mexico games.

And if you were from outside Mexico and had the money, the time and the inclination etc, international travel was all but impossible to organise yourself in those days, meaning you were dependant on buying a package from a specialist company, where you had to pay over the odds for the privilege.

While ticketing distribution systems were primitive compared to today.

It shouldn't be surprising that many stadia were half empty.

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Was out filming Don Patricio film in Mexico in 2017, our tour guide was Tony Wilkes from Ballyfermot.
Tony's Dad was involved with Shamrock Rovers back in the day - they both travelled out to Mexico WC '86.

Tony loved it and stayed in the country... saw the great Maradona and even Gordon Strachan trying to lift his leg over the barrier after scoring for Scotland alongside Pat Jenning's last game v Brazil.
He brought us up to the Azteca for a tour, some stadium. 
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Originally posted by Territorial Territorial wrote:

Some countries (eg Sweden) have a tradition of following their NT abroad in large numbers, others (eg Spain) don't.

Also there was a lot less money around, all countries, 35 years ago than now, with international travel being much more expensive in real terms. While Mexicans themselves were very poor, so couldn't afford to buy tickets for games involving other countries, while 99% of them had no chance of getting tickets for Mexico games.

And if you were from outside Mexico and had the money, the time and the inclination etc, international travel was all but impossible to organise yourself in those days, meaning you were dependant on buying a package from a specialist company, where you had to pay over the odds for the privilege.

While ticketing distribution systems were primitive compared to today.

It shouldn't be surprising that many stadia were half empty.

 
Clearly you weren't talking about JD's FAI ticketing system
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Originally posted by Newryrep Newryrep wrote:

Originally posted by Territorial Territorial wrote:

Some countries (eg Sweden) have a tradition of following their NT abroad in large numbers, others (eg Spain) don't.

Also there was a lot less money around, all countries, 35 years ago than now, with international travel being much more expensive in real terms. While Mexicans themselves were very poor, so couldn't afford to buy tickets for games involving other countries, while 99% of them had no chance of getting tickets for Mexico games.

And if you were from outside Mexico and had the money, the time and the inclination etc, international travel was all but impossible to organise yourself in those days, meaning you were dependant on buying a package from a specialist company, where you had to pay over the odds for the privilege.

While ticketing distribution systems were primitive compared to today.

It shouldn't be surprising that many stadia were half empty.

 
Clearly you weren't talking about JD's FAI ticketing system
 
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Originally posted by sausy sausy wrote:

Originally posted by Newryrep Newryrep wrote:

Originally posted by Territorial Territorial wrote:

Some countries (eg Sweden) have a tradition of following their NT abroad in large numbers, others (eg Spain) don't.

Also there was a lot less money around, all countries, 35 years ago than now, with international travel being much more expensive in real terms. While Mexicans themselves were very poor, so couldn't afford to buy tickets for games involving other countries, while 99% of them had no chance of getting tickets for Mexico games.

And if you were from outside Mexico and had the money, the time and the inclination etc, international travel was all but impossible to organise yourself in those days, meaning you were dependant on buying a package from a specialist company, where you had to pay over the odds for the privilege.

While ticketing distribution systems were primitive compared to today.

It shouldn't be surprising that many stadia were half empty.

 
Clearly you weren't talking about JD's FAI ticketing system
 
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Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

England did have the brilliant, and I believe accurate,  DHSS on Tour flag, so it was feasible on a budget. 
When was the first World Cup that every game sold out? I am sure there was still empty seats in France?  There certainly was in Italy and America. I am guessing that Korea/Japan might have? That was full FIFA at that stage.

Id say France 98 would have been close to max capacity? 

Travelling to Mexico in 86 would have been difficult for Europeans. 
Expensive flights and basic lack of travel information.

Maybe teletext had packaged holidays? 



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I went to a bunch of games in 2006, and every game was announced as "yet another complete sellout 60,000", always a complete round number, and always loads of empty seats.

Three's always the difference between a sellout and full attendance (people who had tickets and didn't attend).
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I heard a fella from Cork on the radio who wanted to go to Mexico.He spotted a advertisment in some English paper for a package for all England's game's.He rang them them up and booked it, went on his own.Turns out it was a trip with the English supporters club.He said it was a great trip,no trouble with the English being the only Irishman their.He got to all England's games and said he had a sideline seat to watch Maradona score against England.What a match to have been at.
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There was some fan at one of the games with live snake in his handsConfused
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Wasn't there one game at the 2018 (I think Uruguay were playing) and there was some mess up which meant it was played in front of a tiny crowd? 

I always feel some tournaments are just well attended and others aren't. Euro 96 always springs to mind. It holds such a fond place in some people's memories, but one of my abiding memories was seeing stadiums that were usually packed to the rafters with pockets of empty seats. The 1999 Rugby World Cup also had that. Correct me if I'm wrong by I think I read a lot had to do with the pricing tiers. Basically, rather than adjusting games based on category, it was a unified pricing structure for each stage, and people weren't willing to fork out much more than the bottom price for fixtures to attend as neutrals?
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I always got the impression from rugby World Cups that the fans wanted to pay more so they could tell you afterwards. 
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Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

I always got the impression from rugby World Cups that the fans wanted to pay more so they could tell you afterwards. 

Certainly not in those days! Thousands of seats were available.
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