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Cabra Hoop wrote: 38 years since they never came home and still no justice.

Cabra Hoop wrote: Lenny82 wrote: Cabra Hoop wrote: 38 years since they never came home and still no justice. What, in your opinion, would be justice?   A public apology to the bereaved families for the suppressing of vital evidence which throws serious doubt on the findings in the Keane tribunal.

From who, Teresa May?

Cabra Hoop wrote: 38 years since they never came home and still no justice.

Stardust disaster was absolutely shocking, the survivors and families of the bereaved have always felt the investigation/tribunal wasn’t thorough enough, a lot of unanswered questions.
Government said to reopen the case years later “wasn’t in the public interest”.
48 young men and women died.
Fire exits padlocked, breaches of fire safety regulations.
Owners never apologised, never faced any charges......they got paid compensation due to the original finding that it was caused by arson.

Edited by GB 1HughJarse - 14 Feb 2019 at 10:06pm

Cabra Hoop wrote: Shedite wrote: Cabra Hoop wrote: Lenny82 wrote: Cabra Hoop wrote: 38 years since they never came home and still no justice. What, in your opinion, would be justice?   A public apology to the bereaved families for the suppressing of vital evidence which throws serious doubt on the findings in the Keane tribunal. From who, Teresa May? I think we might have crossed wires here, I'm talking about the Stardust fire on early morning of Valentine's day in 81.

Item on now on Miriam O'Callaghan (rte1 radio)

would you have the same opinion if one of your friends/relatives died in either incident Lenny?

Lenny82 wrote: Cabra Hoop wrote: Lenny82 wrote: Cabra Hoop wrote: 38 years since they never came home and still no justice. What, in your opinion, would be justice?   A public apology to the bereaved families for the suppressing of vital evidence which throws serious doubt on the findings in the Keane tribunal. A public apology from whom? Some dopey f**ker padlocked the fire escapes. Could never have known what would follow. Do we really want to turn somebody in to a public figure of hate for something they are probably beating themselves up over every day for the last 38 years? Not popular, but this, and the Hillsborough campaign, do my head in.

kin ell.. the clue is in the first line you typed..fire escape. An escape route in case of fire or indeed other emergency. How can you say “could never have known” what what would follow. It would be fairly clear to even the most braindead that if you padlock a fire escape and there is a fire then the fire escape becomes...well not a fire escape anymore. Your ignorance is astounding.

Sham, I know it is not a popular angle, but it is likely that whomever padlocked the fire escape, had no idea that it was indeed a 'fire' escape. Do you really think that (hypothetically) a 20 year old lounge boy should be scape goated for such a tragedy?

Edited by Lenny82 - 17 Feb 2019 at 11:55pm

Lenny82 wrote: Sham, I know it is not a popular angle, but it is likely that whomever padlocked the fire escape, had no idea that it was indeed a 'fire' escape. Do you really think that (hypothetically) a 20 year old lounge boy should be scape coated for such a tragedy? Hillsborough, how do you get justice for that? Forget the horrible press coverage and the appalling attempts at covering up. How do you make somebody accountable? Is it the guy who opened the gates? The guy who told him to open the gates? The guy who gave the authority to the guy who told the guy to open the gates?

There was more than one padlocked and some others had chains draped over to make it look like they were locked. It has already been established that this was deliberate to prevent people getting in for free by way of mates opening them from the inside. Even in the dark days of the 80s fire escapes were around and known about, it wasnt exactly cave man times. In the case of te loungeboy, if not him, then his superior that instructed they be locked. Even then it was prohibted. However, this goes much deeper than the fire exits, and perhaps you should eductae yourself on the full story before commenting in such fashion, at least if you still hold the viewpoin5 you do, it will be an informed one of sorts.