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We used to have a dedicated Twitter/X account called "Kenny's Kids" and some fans used to sing "walking in a Kenny wonderland" with pure glee.




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Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Losing 6 games in the one qualification tournament is the end for any manager. Kerr lost two over 1/2 tournaments, while Staunton lost 3 over one. We had become easy to beat and were still scoring from dead balls and headers. After we lost to Armenia this was only going one way.

A bit disingenuous considering 4 of those losses were to the 2nd and 7th best teams in the world. His time was up, but the only games in this world cup qualification where we underperformed were the Greek ones, we easily dispatched Gibraltar twice and put in solid performances against far superior French and Dutch sides
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Originally posted by Godzilla Godzilla wrote:

We used to have a dedicated Twitter/X account called "Kenny's Kids" and some fans used to sing "walking in a Kenny wonderland" with pure glee.






They tried singing it away to Greece. Honestly braindead fools
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Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Losing 6 games in the one qualification tournament is the end for any manager. Kerr lost two over 1/2 tournaments, while Staunton lost 3 over one. We had become easy to beat and were still scoring from dead balls and headers. After we lost to Armenia this was only going one way.

A bit disingenuous considering 4 of those losses were to the 2nd and 7th best teams in the world. His time was up, but the only games in this world cup qualification where we underperformed were the Greek ones, we easily dispatched Gibraltar twice and put in solid performances against far superior French and Dutch sides

The Netherlands are a decent side, but they're not the 7th best. The FIFA rankings system isn't good.

Belgium are still ranked 3rd and USA are 11th. Not a hope that's a true reflection of the current landscape.

France is as tough as it gets. We did well in the home game. No complaints. We didn't compete well enough vs a limited Netherlands team. Especially the one we played away. They were without Aké, de Ligt, de Jong and Memphis.
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Thinking sacking Kenny was a mistake is like being single but going back to your ex because you can’t get another bird.
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Originally posted by The Huntacha The Huntacha wrote:

Thinking sacking Kenny was a mistake is like being single but going back to your ex because you can’t get another bird.

Reminds me a bit of the “Corbyn was right” mantra in the UK. Bojo making a bags of the UK political realm post 2019 doesn’t mean that Corbyn wouldn’t have.
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Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Losing 6 games in the one qualification tournament is the end for any manager. Kerr lost two over 1/2 tournaments, while Staunton lost 3 over one. We had become easy to beat and were still scoring from dead balls and headers. After we lost to Armenia this was only going one way.

A bit disingenuous considering 4 of those losses were to the 2nd and 7th best teams in the world. His time was up, but the only games in this world cup qualification where we underperformed were the Greek ones, we easily dispatched Gibraltar twice and put in solid performances against far superior French and Dutch sides

Gibraltar are an inferior team. I don’t think beating them even qualifies as a KPI of the job. And for the record we didn’t easily dispatch them in Dublin. We made hard work of getting around them until they assisted the first goal for us.

I still don’t buy the idea that 4/4 defeats against superior sides is acceptable. In his first tournament we were unlucky not to beat Portugal away and got two draws against the higher seeds. We’ve always been able to pull points against higher seeded teams. A duck egg was unacceptable.
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Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Losing 6 games in the one qualification tournament is the end for any manager. Kerr lost two over 1/2 tournaments, while Staunton lost 3 over one. We had become easy to beat and were still scoring from dead balls and headers. After we lost to Armenia this was only going one way.

A bit disingenuous considering 4 of those losses were to the 2nd and 7th best teams in the world. His time was up, but the only games in this world cup qualification where we underperformed were the Greek ones, we easily dispatched Gibraltar twice and put in solid performances against far superior French and Dutch sides

Gibraltar are an inferior team. I don’t think beating them even qualifies as a KPI of the job. And for the record we didn’t easily dispatch them in Dublin. We made hard work of getting around them until they assisted the first goal for us.

I still don’t buy the idea that 4/4 defeats against superior sides is acceptable. In his first tournament we were unlucky not to beat Portugal away and got two draws against the higher seeds. We’ve always been able to pull points against higher seeded teams. A duck egg was unacceptable.

We dispatched them more easily than at any stage since we walloped them just after they started competing in international football. We beat them 3-nil in Dublin and it was completely textbook, they put up stout defence in the first half while offering no threat of their own, then they tired in the second and we dispatched of them. Beating Gibraltar easily is not a key KPI, but it is relevant considering how we've struggled past them in recent years.

Losing by narrow margins against 2 of the worlds best sides is just not unusual for Ireland - we have at times got draws against top sides, but in general we lose and we basically never win. Was there not a 5+ year period between Trap and O'Neill where we failed to beat a single team ranked higher than us? We're not even talking about world class sides like France and the Netherlands there, it's literally any side ranked in about the top 30/40 in the world. People seem to have this rose tinted view of the past where we were holding our own against top sides and pulling off great results on a consistent basis, but that hasn't been the case in 20+ years....


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Sacking Kenny was the correct decision. Completely making a balls of the manager search doesn't change that. Kenny wasn't good enough, we almost couldn't regress any more than we have already.

Don't see a problem chanting his name, backing the manager is a good thing.


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Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Losing 6 games in the one qualification tournament is the end for any manager. Kerr lost two over 1/2 tournaments, while Staunton lost 3 over one. We had become easy to beat and were still scoring from dead balls and headers. After we lost to Armenia this was only going one way.

A bit disingenuous considering 4 of those losses were to the 2nd and 7th best teams in the world. His time was up, but the only games in this world cup qualification where we underperformed were the Greek ones, we easily dispatched Gibraltar twice and put in solid performances against far superior French and Dutch sides

Gibraltar are an inferior team. I don’t think beating them even qualifies as a KPI of the job. And for the record we didn’t easily dispatch them in Dublin. We made hard work of getting around them until they assisted the first goal for us.

I still don’t buy the idea that 4/4 defeats against superior sides is acceptable. In his first tournament we were unlucky not to beat Portugal away and got two draws against the higher seeds. We’ve always been able to pull points against higher seeded teams. A duck egg was unacceptable.

We dispatched them more easily than at any stage since we walloped them just after they started competing in international football. We beat them 3-nil in Dublin and it was completely textbook, they put up stout defence in the first half while offering no threat of their own, then they tired in the second and we dispatched of them. Beating Gibraltar easily is not a key KPI, but it is relevant considering how we've struggled past them in recent years.

Losing by narrow margins against 2 of the worlds best sides is just not unusual for Ireland - we have at times got draws against top sides, but in general we lose and we basically never win. Was there not a 5+ year period between Trap and O'Neill where we failed to beat a single team ranked higher than us? We're not even talking about world class sides like France and the Netherlands there, it's literally any side ranked in about the top 30/40 in the world. People seem to have this rose tinted view of the past where we were holding our own against top sides and pulling off great results on a consistent basis, but that hasn't been the case in 20+ years....

We’ve generally held our own over the past 20 years. It may not have been wins, but we were unlucky not to qualify for WC ‘10 and WC ‘18. We did make it to two European Championships at the time. MM even managed to get 3/4 draws from the Swiss and the Danes in 2019. Kenny got 2 draws against Portugal and the Serbs in 2021. So we generally didn’t lose. I would argue that our relationship with losing has only really crept in to the national team over the past 3 years, and especially over the past 2.
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Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Losing 6 games in the one qualification tournament is the end for any manager. Kerr lost two over 1/2 tournaments, while Staunton lost 3 over one. We had become easy to beat and were still scoring from dead balls and headers. After we lost to Armenia this was only going one way.

A bit disingenuous considering 4 of those losses were to the 2nd and 7th best teams in the world. His time was up, but the only games in this world cup qualification where we underperformed were the Greek ones, we easily dispatched Gibraltar twice and put in solid performances against far superior French and Dutch sides

Gibraltar are an inferior team. I don’t think beating them even qualifies as a KPI of the job. And for the record we didn’t easily dispatch them in Dublin. We made hard work of getting around them until they assisted the first goal for us.

I still don’t buy the idea that 4/4 defeats against superior sides is acceptable. In his first tournament we were unlucky not to beat Portugal away and got two draws against the higher seeds. We’ve always been able to pull points against higher seeded teams. A duck egg was unacceptable.

We dispatched them more easily than at any stage since we walloped them just after they started competing in international football. We beat them 3-nil in Dublin and it was completely textbook, they put up stout defence in the first half while offering no threat of their own, then they tired in the second and we dispatched of them. Beating Gibraltar easily is not a key KPI, but it is relevant considering how we've struggled past them in recent years.

Losing by narrow margins against 2 of the worlds best sides is just not unusual for Ireland - we have at times got draws against top sides, but in general we lose and we basically never win. Was there not a 5+ year period between Trap and O'Neill where we failed to beat a single team ranked higher than us? We're not even talking about world class sides like France and the Netherlands there, it's literally any side ranked in about the top 30/40 in the world. People seem to have this rose tinted view of the past where we were holding our own against top sides and pulling off great results on a consistent basis, but that hasn't been the case in 20+ years....

Ah, come on now, O'Shea.  Has it really been 20+ years since we took 4 points off the reigning World Cup Champions Germany in a qualifying campaign?  Tempus fugit!
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Originally posted by Shermanator1 Shermanator1 wrote:

Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Losing 6 games in the one qualification tournament is the end for any manager. Kerr lost two over 1/2 tournaments, while Staunton lost 3 over one. We had become easy to beat and were still scoring from dead balls and headers. After we lost to Armenia this was only going one way.

A bit disingenuous considering 4 of those losses were to the 2nd and 7th best teams in the world. His time was up, but the only games in this world cup qualification where we underperformed were the Greek ones, we easily dispatched Gibraltar twice and put in solid performances against far superior French and Dutch sides

Gibraltar are an inferior team. I don’t think beating them even qualifies as a KPI of the job. And for the record we didn’t easily dispatch them in Dublin. We made hard work of getting around them until they assisted the first goal for us.

I still don’t buy the idea that 4/4 defeats against superior sides is acceptable. In his first tournament we were unlucky not to beat Portugal away and got two draws against the higher seeds. We’ve always been able to pull points against higher seeded teams. A duck egg was unacceptable.

We dispatched them more easily than at any stage since we walloped them just after they started competing in international football. We beat them 3-nil in Dublin and it was completely textbook, they put up stout defence in the first half while offering no threat of their own, then they tired in the second and we dispatched of them. Beating Gibraltar easily is not a key KPI, but it is relevant considering how we've struggled past them in recent years.

Losing by narrow margins against 2 of the worlds best sides is just not unusual for Ireland - we have at times got draws against top sides, but in general we lose and we basically never win. Was there not a 5+ year period between Trap and O'Neill where we failed to beat a single team ranked higher than us? We're not even talking about world class sides like France and the Netherlands there, it's literally any side ranked in about the top 30/40 in the world. People seem to have this rose tinted view of the past where we were holding our own against top sides and pulling off great results on a consistent basis, but that hasn't been the case in 20+ years....

Ah, come on now, O'Shea.  Has it really been 20+ years since we took 4 points off the reigning World Cup Champions Germany in a qualifying campaign?  Tempus fugit!

I'm fairly sure beating Germany was the result that ended our years long run of never beating a single side ranked even 1 position higher than us. It was an aberration, not the norm. That's without even getting into the fact that the quality of that German side is more akin to the Netherlands side we faced recently than the French side we lost narrowly to twice, who are one of the top international sides in the history of the game.
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Germany were the World Cup winners and we took 4 points off them,

We took 0 points off Greece let alone the other 2.
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Reigning World Champions Germany, who put 7 goals past Brazil in a World Cup Semi Final just 3 months before we played them away in the qualifiers, are akin to todays Netherlands. LOL

I know I try not to take any notice of his nonsense (and it's always nonsense) but every so often he comes out with some absolute peach lines.

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Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

Originally posted by Shermanator1 Shermanator1 wrote:

Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Originally posted by The O'Shea The O'Shea wrote:

Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Losing 6 games in the one qualification tournament is the end for any manager. Kerr lost two over 1/2 tournaments, while Staunton lost 3 over one. We had become easy to beat and were still scoring from dead balls and headers. After we lost to Armenia this was only going one way.

A bit disingenuous considering 4 of those losses were to the 2nd and 7th best teams in the world. His time was up, but the only games in this world cup qualification where we underperformed were the Greek ones, we easily dispatched Gibraltar twice and put in solid performances against far superior French and Dutch sides

Gibraltar are an inferior team. I don’t think beating them even qualifies as a KPI of the job. And for the record we didn’t easily dispatch them in Dublin. We made hard work of getting around them until they assisted the first goal for us.

I still don’t buy the idea that 4/4 defeats against superior sides is acceptable. In his first tournament we were unlucky not to beat Portugal away and got two draws against the higher seeds. We’ve always been able to pull points against higher seeded teams. A duck egg was unacceptable.

We dispatched them more easily than at any stage since we walloped them just after they started competing in international football. We beat them 3-nil in Dublin and it was completely textbook, they put up stout defence in the first half while offering no threat of their own, then they tired in the second and we dispatched of them. Beating Gibraltar easily is not a key KPI, but it is relevant considering how we've struggled past them in recent years.

Losing by narrow margins against 2 of the worlds best sides is just not unusual for Ireland - we have at times got draws against top sides, but in general we lose and we basically never win. Was there not a 5+ year period between Trap and O'Neill where we failed to beat a single team ranked higher than us? We're not even talking about world class sides like France and the Netherlands there, it's literally any side ranked in about the top 30/40 in the world. People seem to have this rose tinted view of the past where we were holding our own against top sides and pulling off great results on a consistent basis, but that hasn't been the case in 20+ years....

Ah, come on now, O'Shea.  Has it really been 20+ years since we took 4 points off the reigning World Cup Champions Germany in a qualifying campaign?  Tempus fugit!

I'm fairly sure beating Germany was the result that ended our years long run of never beating a single side ranked even 1 position higher than us. It was an aberration, not the norm. That's without even getting into the fact that the quality of that German side is more akin to the Netherlands side we faced recently than the French side we lost narrowly to twice, who are one of the top international sides in the history of the game.

It may have been, but I wouldn’t object to the key draws that we got against major teams along the way. The habit of losing is very new to us. And historically it has been almost 50 years since we lost 6 games in a qualification campaign.
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O'Shea the last Branch Kennyian 
willing to go down in flames with the compound. 

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Can’t believe that 28% of those who voted think keeping that absolute bluffer on would’ve been a good idea. Mind-boggling stuff. 
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