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lads I'll park it for the weekend and wish ye a happy bank holiday 

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Originally posted by OohAah... OohAah... wrote:

Originally posted by eireland eireland wrote:

Originally posted by OohAah... OohAah... wrote:

lads I'll park it for the weekend and wish ye a happy bank holiday 

But thought I'd share this to give ye a laugh
Do they not pay for your posts on bank holidays?

Is this  a serious question?
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Originally posted by eireland eireland wrote:

Originally posted by OohAah... OohAah... wrote:

Originally posted by eireland eireland wrote:

Originally posted by OohAah... OohAah... wrote:

lads I'll park it for the weekend and wish ye a happy bank holiday 

But thought I'd share this to give ye a laugh
Do they not pay for your posts on bank holidays?

Is this  a serious question?
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It’s being widely reported that Kiev has foiled a Russia plot to assassinate Zelensky and two high ranking Ukrainian government officials.
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Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

It’s being widely reported that Kiev has foiled a Russia plot to assassinate Zelensky and two high ranking Ukrainian government officials.
Obviously wanted a big celebration for May 9th. I don't think it would be the best move for Russia. He could be replaced by someone fresh with renewed drive. It would shock the world and ultimately lead to Ukraine getting more military aid as retaliation. And it could galvanise Ukrainians even more. 
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reported by western media. 2 ukranian security officials were arrested. Wouldn't take this story at face value myself



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reported by western media. 2 ukranian security officials were arrested. Wouldn't take this story at face value myself


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Originally posted by OohAah... OohAah... wrote:

reported by western media. 2 ukranian security officials were arrested. Wouldn't take this story at face value myself

It was also reported by non western media too. East or West the source is still Ukraine. Who reports this has nothing to do with the believability.
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just deducing Russia have nothing to gain from it. As Eire said it would only further alienate them. He's not the threat to them.

I'm not saying it's not them. I'm saying I wouldn't take the story at face value. As with all these top secret operations. They are that most of the time.

Zelensky has a few enemys
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We learnt with the Skripal affair in Salisbury that Russia are prone to long range nobblings. Ditto the poisoning of Yushchenko in 2004.
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Originally posted by OohAah... OohAah... wrote:

just deducing Russia have nothing to gain from it. As Eire said it would only further alienate them. He's not the threat to them.

I'm not saying it's not them. I'm saying I wouldn't take the story at face value. As with all these top secret operations. They are that most of the time.

Zelensky has a few enemys
While they've nothing to gain I wouldn't put it past Putin. And maybe cutting off the head of the shake while Russia are making battlefield gains would have a short term effect on the Ukrainians. Who knows but just because we don't think it's a wise move for Russia doesn't mean they wouldn't do it.
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OTD in 1920 the USSR signed Treaty of of Moscow with Georgia, recognizing their independence. They invaded them 9 months later.
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Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

We learnt with the Skripal affair in Salisbury that Russia are prone to long range nobblings. Ditto the poisoning of Yushchenko in 2004.

I thought having " Form" for behaviour doesnt mean its relevent in this situation

I also note the " story" of the assassination attempt has slowly dropping out from the news reel.

With these stories its important to see who reports and when and the timeline. The US were very quick to point at Al Queada being behind the Moscow Terrorist attack. The Russians didnt even know who was behind it.


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Originally posted by OohAah... OohAah... wrote:

Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

We learnt with the Skripal affair in Salisbury that Russia are prone to long range nobblings. Ditto the poisoning of Yushchenko in 2004.

I thought having " Form" for behaviour doesnt mean its relevent in this situation

I also note the " story" of the assassination attempt has slowly dropping out from the news reel.

With these stories its important to see who reports and when and the timeline. The US were very quick to point at Al Queada being behind the Moscow Terrorist attack. The Russians didnt even know who was behind it.



That’s not entirely the case. ISIS claimed responsibility. Usually that sort of admission is taken at face value, unless it’s a denial. That sort of act tends not to be something a group readily admits to unless it’s responsible and wants to take responsibility.
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Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Originally posted by OohAah... OohAah... wrote:

Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

We learnt with the Skripal affair in Salisbury that Russia are prone to long range nobblings. Ditto the poisoning of Yushchenko in 2004.

I thought having " Form" for behaviour doesnt mean its relevent in this situation

I also note the " story" of the assassination attempt has slowly dropping out from the news reel.

With these stories its important to see who reports and when and the timeline. The US were very quick to point at Al Queada being behind the Moscow Terrorist attack. The Russians didnt even know who was behind it.



That’s not entirely the case. ISIS claimed responsibility. Usually that sort of admission is taken at face value, unless it’s a denial. That sort of act tends not to be something a group readily admits to unless it’s responsible and wants to take responsibility.

Correct but the US were quick to back their claim.

To me it begged more questions than answered them.


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Originally posted by OohAah... OohAah... wrote:

Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Originally posted by OohAah... OohAah... wrote:

Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

We learnt with the Skripal affair in Salisbury that Russia are prone to long range nobblings. Ditto the poisoning of Yushchenko in 2004.

I thought having " Form" for behaviour doesnt mean its relevent in this situation

I also note the " story" of the assassination attempt has slowly dropping out from the news reel.

With these stories its important to see who reports and when and the timeline. The US were very quick to point at Al Queada being behind the Moscow Terrorist attack. The Russians didnt even know who was behind it.



That’s not entirely the case. ISIS claimed responsibility. Usually that sort of admission is taken at face value, unless it’s a denial. That sort of act tends not to be something a group readily admits to unless it’s responsible and wants to take responsibility.

Correct but the US were quick to back their claim.

To me it begged more questions than answered them.



If it was a denial, I think you’d have a point. But it’s an admission. Why else would they do it? And they have a history of that sort of crude and indiscriminate attack in major cities, with a view to maximum casualties. Even Putin referred to “Radical Islamists”, with a vague swipe at blaming Ukraine. But the generally narrative is aligned.
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Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Originally posted by OohAah... OohAah... wrote:

Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

Originally posted by OohAah... OohAah... wrote:

Originally posted by Het-field Het-field wrote:

We learnt with the Skripal affair in Salisbury that Russia are prone to long range nobblings. Ditto the poisoning of Yushchenko in 2004.

I thought having " Form" for behaviour doesnt mean its relevent in this situation

I also note the " story" of the assassination attempt has slowly dropping out from the news reel.

With these stories its important to see who reports and when and the timeline. The US were very quick to point at Al Queada being behind the Moscow Terrorist attack. The Russians didnt even know who was behind it.



That’s not entirely the case. ISIS claimed responsibility. Usually that sort of admission is taken at face value, unless it’s a denial. That sort of act tends not to be something a group readily admits to unless it’s responsible and wants to take responsibility.

Correct but the US were quick to back their claim.

To me it begged more questions than answered them.



If it was a denial, I think you’d have a point. But it’s an admission. Why else would they do it? And they have a history of that sort of crude and indiscriminate attack in major cities, with a view to maximum casualties. Even Putin referred to “Radical Islamists”, with a vague swipe at blaming Ukraine. But the generally narrative is aligned.

I agree. So as I said looking at who reported and when, the US knew before the Russians. 
So how did they know?
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