Middle East/Israeli Genocide on Palestine

SeaSharp wrote:

drog addict wrote:

eireland wrote:

Claret Murph wrote:

Well Netanyagu and his right wingers have now been given the green light to wipe Hamas out in Gaza and they will do it street by street none of the leaders will be left alive this is what will happen thousands will die .

What happens after is anyone idea but Hamas will be taken apart .

Yes they have. The whole world has become desensitized to war since Ukraine. Nobody batted an eye lid when Azerbaijan declared war on the Armenia enclave which led to 120k Armenia's leaving permanently. And there was no major escalation from the Armenians that could have justified it.

Meanwhile after one of the most savage terrorist attacks ever by Hamas, not only is the world desensitized to all out war but many around the globe are siding with Israel. The majority of Indians and Americans and they've strong public support from many in South America, Europe, Africa and Russia.

I really fear for what's going to happen. Israel could flatten the entire strip, drive every Gazan out and half the world will be happy. Knowing how evil Israel is I can't see them not taking the chance.

I would love to know why most western countries are behind Isreal and ignore what they have done to the Palestinian people for over 50 years. It Is f**king savagery and Zionism is up there with modern day Nazism. Its a f**king disgrace and shame on our own politicians who do not condemn it considering our own history .

Yeah they've really been ignoring it by talking about it non-stop in the UN, or facilitating peace talks, etc. In the last 8 years the UN has passed 140 resolutions against Israel and only 68 against the rest of the world combined LOL

Zionism must be a sh*t replica of Nazism if it's somehow managed to create a state that's 25% non-Jewish! Also Irish politicians have been condemning Israel for a long time, there's been many motions and statements made and official expressions of support. Get your head out of the sand.

Our politicians in government have done f**k all about it, the UN!! You are having a laugh, they too have done sweet f**k all about it too. Sure the US vetos anything against Isreal. Expressions of support to Palestinian people!! Really, how the f**k did that help them? If anyone needs to get their head out of the sand it's yourself.

Chips don't bounce

SeaSharp wrote:

drog addict wrote:

Our politicians in government have done f**k all about it, the UN!! You are having a laugh, they too have done sweet f**k all about it too. Sure the US vetos anything against Isreal. Expressions of support to Palestinian people!! Really, how the f**k did that help them? If anyone needs to get their head out of the sand it's yourself.

What do you think Irish politicians can actually do beyond expressions of support? What influence or resource do they have that would make any meaningful effect? That's a genuine question by the way. Promoting diplomacy and peace should be Ireland's only role in the conflict, IMO. Whether or not the UN can do anything is totally irrelevant. You said the West ignores Israel's actions, when in fact many Western nations vote to condemn and criticise Israel in the UNGA.

You seem to have an expectation that the West should be completely on Palestine's side, and I think recent events have shown why they shouldn't be. Why should the West align with a people who line the streets celebrating the murder of over 700 civilians? Palestinian values and Western values could not be further removed from one another. Both sides are terrible and the West should be doing more to find a peaceful solution. Thankless task when neither side is interested in it though.

We seem to have no bother both condemning Russia and implementing serious sanctions against them. Why have we not done this to Isreal? Since 1949 they have been Land grabbing and making Palestinians lives hell. Nobody stepped in and told them to calm their tits. They have broken so many resolutions and committed numerous war crimes yet still the US backs them, EU does f**k all and as for the UN, they are a waste of space as long as the US has the power to veto anything they don't agree with. There should have been UN forces in there a long long time ago. A complete boycott of all Isreali goods and services, like what we did with South Africa, another apartheid state. The world has stood by and let this happen and it will only get worse. Why are we afraid to condemn their actions? Is it because of the yanks, the banks, God knows. Why should we align with Isreal over Palestinians? I'm sure the isrealis have celebrated the deaths of 6.5k Palestinians since 2003, do we in the west share those same values???? Open air prisons like gaza, the power to turn on and off their power at the switch of a button, segregation etc etc. What do you expect fthe Palestinians to do? Sit there and take it on the chin while everything around them is taken away.

Chips don't bounce

drog addict wrote:

SeaSharp wrote:

drog addict wrote:

Our politicians in government have done f**k all about it, the UN!! You are having a laugh, they too have done sweet f**k all about it too. Sure the US vetos anything against Isreal. Expressions of support to Palestinian people!! Really, how the f**k did that help them? If anyone needs to get their head out of the sand it's yourself.

What do you think Irish politicians can actually do beyond expressions of support? What influence or resource do they have that would make any meaningful effect? That's a genuine question by the way. Promoting diplomacy and peace should be Ireland's only role in the conflict, IMO. Whether or not the UN can do anything is totally irrelevant. You said the West ignores Israel's actions, when in fact many Western nations vote to condemn and criticise Israel in the UNGA.

You seem to have an expectation that the West should be completely on Palestine's side, and I think recent events have shown why they shouldn't be. Why should the West align with a people who line the streets celebrating the murder of over 700 civilians? Palestinian values and Western values could not be further removed from one another. Both sides are terrible and the West should be doing more to find a peaceful solution. Thankless task when neither side is interested in it though.

We seem to have no bother both condemning Russia and implementing serious sanctions against them. Why have we not done this to Isreal? Since 1949 they have been Land grabbing and making Palestinians lives hell. Nobody stepped in and told them to calm their tits. They have broken so many resolutions and committed numerous war crimes yet still the US backs them, EU does f**k all and as for the UN, they are a waste of space as long as the US has the power to veto anything they don't agree with. There should have been UN forces in there a long long time ago. A complete boycott of all Isreali goods and services, like what we did with South Africa, another apartheid state. The world has stood by and let this happen and it will only get worse. Why are we afraid to condemn their actions? Is it because of the yanks, the banks, God knows. Why should we align with Isreal over Palestinians? I'm sure the isrealis have celebrated the deaths of 6.5k Palestinians since 2003, do we in the west share those same values???? Open air prisons like gaza, the power to turn on and off their power at the switch of a button, segregation etc etc. What do you expect fthe Palestinians to do? Sit there and take it on the chin while everything around them is taken away.

I suppose this highlights the entire issue with I/P. You bring up actions in the West Bank and Gaza and you're right, they're terrible. But, Israel would never have been in the West Bank or Gaza if the Arabs didn't launch a war of extermination on them in 1967. The borders we see today are a product of how far back the Jordanians, Syrians and Egyptians were pushed back by the Israelis.

Israel has, historically, shown willingness to make sacrifices for peace. They gave the Sinai back to Egypt as part of a lasting peace agreement and dismantled most of the settlements. The ones that were left behind were further developed by Egypt. Unlike Hamas in Gaza, who razed and destroyed deserted Israeli settlements in 2005 rather than using them to provide for their own people.

Barak offered Arafat pretty much the entire West Bank and East Jerusalem in 2000, and Arafat said no. Don't get me wrong, it wasn't a perfect deal, but it was the best the Palestinians were ever going to get. Clinton held Arafat solely responsible for the Camp David failures. IMO, it's unreasonable that people expect Israel to continually make concessions to people who don't think they should exist.

Good luck boycotting Israel, I'd say. They export $2bn worth of EICs to Ireland. Who do you propose we give that business to instead? China?

Blaming the yanks and the banks is lazy. The fact is, Palestinians have a large amount of culpability too. Unfortunately the mask has slipped now, and I think a lot of people who were on the fence about the issue will see what Israel has been contending with for decades. Has there been a single Palestinian official to come out and condemn the murder and kidnapping of civilians? That should tell anybody all they need to know about the Palestinian mindset. A culture steeped in hatred and violence, even more so than Israel, which is saying something. I would recommend researching cartoons and TV shows produced by the Palestinian Authority over the years. Pro-9/11, anti-semitic conspiracy theory, incitement to murder. It's funny how that never gets mentioned by pro-Palestinian Westerners.

Edited by SeaSharp - 09 Oct 2023 at 2:53pm