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The GerK 
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In your opinion, it's just coincidental that it comes just after the court admission? |
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Posted: 08 May 2024 at 10:34am |
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I don't know enough about it to be able to post on a forum about something being conclusively true. Reading a newspaper article or two isn't going to change that. |
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The GerK
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But you are happy enough to jump in with a glib response to a serious matter where it is now fact that many people have died or suffered life changing injuries? The company admitted in court that the vaccine can cause fatal clots. They then announced withdrawal a week later. These are facts, not media speculation. |
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Posted: 08 May 2024 at 10:55am |
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"Many people have died" - What are the numbers on those, just out of interest? You mention facts, the fact is that they announced the withdrawal citing different reasons for it. You can't deny that, both articles state that. It's also the case that the EU hadn't withdrawn permission for the vaccine to be used. I believe that is also a fact. So trying to link anything else here is pure speculation at this stage. If there are many people with life changing injuries or who have died, is it really fair to speculate without established facts?
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Posted: 08 May 2024 at 10:57am |
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You could easily extrapolate the HSE's figures on vaccination and possible side effects to determine your figures
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Posted: 08 May 2024 at 11:00am |
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Extrapolating figures and medical science don't really go together. Medical science is based on established and verifiable facts.
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Posted: 08 May 2024 at 11:03am |
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You do realize that the figures posted by the HSE are based on medical trials?
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Posted: 08 May 2024 at 11:11am |
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Which figures?
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Posted: 08 May 2024 at 11:16am |
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81 deaths in UK linked to TTS - Thrombosis and Thrombocytopenia - and 'hundreds' of injuries. Most deaths are in the 18 to 60 age group. Which is why Denmark was the first to take Astra off the shelves back in 2021. On the Astra announcement. Yes, they said it was a demand issue and they have updated vaccines. Crisis management 101. The court admission means it's game over for their covid vaccine and they are not battling to manage the fallout. AZ voluntarily withdrew its authorisation https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/documents/all-authorised-presentations/vaxzevria-previously-covid-19-vaccine-astrazeneca-epar-all-authorised-presentation_en.pdf Edited by The GerK - 08 May 2024 at 11:18am |
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Not sure why link above is not working, but it's in the Guardian article.
On 7 May, the European Medicines Agency issued a notice that the vaccine is no longer authorised for use. https://www.theguardian.com/business/article/2024/may/08/astrazeneca-withdraws-covid-19-vaccine-worldwide-citing-surplus-of-newer-vaccines
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Posted: 08 May 2024 at 12:25pm |
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Gerk do you think that vaccine took more lives then it saved?
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Haven't a clue. Is there any way of knowing that? What we do know of that healthy people died fom the vaccine which was sold to us as safe and effective
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I genuinely don't know but did they not warn of potential but very unlikely side affects? Pretty much all medicine does. Even an aspirin can be dangerous to the wrong or an unfortunate person.
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Not at all. Safe and effective was the constant narrative.
They have denied the clotting issue since 2021 until admission in court a few weeks ago. Yes meds have sixe affects, but not on this scale |
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Posted: 08 May 2024 at 5:12pm |
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I didn't know the producers stance but I know our government was talking some absolute sh*te about them.
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