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There was a clear opportunity for other clubs to seize the moment to pressure the FAI into giving the league the consideration it deserves. Instead the FAI, being supreme politicians, have managed to piggy back onto Dundalks success and can ride out the storm like they always do. The momentum has been lost and the story is dead in the media. Nothing will change and we will continue our collective downward trajectory as a league. Maybe Dundalk will up the ante a bit before they spunk their Europa League money but ultimately this league is f***ed without proper investment and commitment from a governing body that currently views it as a necessary evil but major inconvenience. 
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Originally posted by roverstillidie roverstillidie wrote:

Originally posted by pre Madonna pre Madonna wrote:

From what I gathered over the weekend, it doesn't look like City or any more clubs are going tojoin Derry and Pats. There is a meeting of the PCA this week, the cynic in me can't help but think this was a deliberate ploy by the FAI to try and destroy the group and it appears to be working.


I doubt the FAI anticipated two clubs rejecting grants towords a project the FAI are imposing. If the PCA collapses as a result then that is a happy bye product. But one think is clear, neither Derry or Pats 'cleared' this with the rest in advance which defeats the purpose of the PCA
If you read the piece by John O'Sullivan, I think it was linked on this thread, it appears there was already 'a mole', for want of a better word, in the PCA . He also talked of the importance of the group, an offer of money so derisory was always to going to lead to the possibility of some clubs turning it down, especially those less not needing to remain onside with the association for other things. It seems to me like a calculated gamble to break up the PCA for 100k and it has worked.
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The PCa and other clubs have not accepted the €5k read the statement from them again !!!
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Originally posted by MC Hammered MC Hammered wrote:

There was a clear opportunity for other clubs to seize the moment to pressure the FAI into giving the league the consideration it deserves. Instead the FAI, being supreme politicians, have managed to piggy back onto Dundalks success and can ride out the storm like they always do. The momentum has been lost and the story is dead in the media. Nothing will change and we will continue our collective downward trajectory as a league. Maybe Dundalk will up the ante a bit before they spunk their Europa League money but ultimately this league is f***ed without proper investment and commitment from a governing body that currently views it as a necessary evil but major inconvenience. 


That is fine. But. There is very little point in joining a body like the PCA, going on a solo run and then wondering where the rest are. Why not call a meeting, ask for a united front, then take agreed collective action?
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http://www.the42.ie/john-o-sullivan-2091548-May2015/

From reading this article, the PCA is the clubs working together for the betterment of the league. It doesn't suggest in anyway that it's a united front on everything that is related to the league.

If Pats and Derry want to take the course of action they have done, it shouldn't be expected that the rest of the clubs follow suit.  
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No club was obliged to follow Derry and Pats , that's not what the PCA is about. So why should they have ran it by the PCA ? They aren't obliged to. But if the clubs who didn't reject it stood with the 2 who put the spotlight on the FAI , the FAI would have had to take the situation more seriously. I can understand the clubs who are struggling to have the hand out but the rest can go f**k themselves next time they complain about the FAI , prize money and their running of the league.
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Iceland fa KSI, released figures to do with distribution of part of Euro 2016 Finals participation income.
€ 3.5m in total distributed to clubs, about 25% of total income, as per decision taken at AGM in Feb 2016.
€135k to top clubs €115k medium clubs, €16k to the tiniest clubs.
Mandated is that it's for football related projects not for playing personel.
There's an extra grant of €7,500 made available for each top 24 clubs to send their youth coaches to a uefa elite youth coaching course organised by KSI

Annual accounts report is made public.
They give an annual grant of €7,000 to each club in top 2 divisons to complete their annual accounts and licence application.
Also accounted for is all finance received from Fifa/Uefa and where and what it goes for.

Zero excuse for clubs to accept the way they are being treated.
Wonder are the clubs aware of this?
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A link to that should be sent to each chairman of every LOI club.
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Originally posted by Bitored Bitored wrote:

Iceland fa KSI, released figures to do with distribution of part of Euro 2016 Finals participation income.
€ 3.5m in total distributed to clubs, about 25% of total income, as per decision taken at AGM in Feb 2016.
€135k to top clubs €115k medium clubs, €16k to the tiniest clubs.
Mandated is that it's for football related projects not for playing personel.
There's an extra grant of €7,500 made available for each top 24 clubs to send their youth coaches to a uefa elite youth coaching course organised by KSI

Annual accounts report is made public.
They give an annual grant of €7,000 to each club in top 2 divisons to complete their annual accounts and licence application.
Also accounted for is all finance received from Fifa/Uefa and where and what it goes for.

Zero excuse for clubs to accept the way they are being treated.
Wonder are the clubs aware of this?


Brilliant from the Icelandic FA
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http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer/national-league/fai-might-learn-from-iceland-s-generosity-to-domestic-game-1.2769626
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Geir Thorsteinsson, the president of the Icelandic football association (KSI), has said this week’s decision to share out around €3.5 million amongst the country’s clubs is in line with long-term policy and has, he believes, contributed hugely to the country’s recent success internationally.

The decision to share out a quarter of the association’s income from Euro 2016 was initially taken last February at a meeting of the KSI’s affiliates. However, according to Thorsteinsson, the decision to give a quarter of the additional €6 million prizemoney earned after the national team reached the quarter-finals of the tournament, was taken by the organisation itself. That decision means an extra€1.5 million for the clubs.
extra€1.5 million for the clubs.

“Yes, it was the association’s decision, it came from us,” said Thorsteinsson.

“They developed the players so they deserve a share of the money. We have had a very good strategy in giving grants and other types of support to our clubs. That has always been our philosophy.

“In this case, some will go to facilities, some to paying for extra coaches; the club’s have different needs and they are in the best position to judge these, so it is best that they decide how to spend the money.”
The news of the grant allocations was much remarked upon here this week with many supporters and, privately, club officials, struck by the contrast with the FAI’s recent offer of a total of €100,000 to be distributed amongst Ireland’s senior clubs.


The differences don’t stop there, however. Thorsteinsson, who did not address these differences as he spoke to The Irish Times, revealed that the association had, in recent years, waived affiliation fees for clubs in the country’s senior leagues and covered the cost of paying referees and other match officials in order to ease the burden on clubs.

The 18 clubs in the league who take that 5k are fools.
I count my own club in that.
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What's the story with the Pats fellah that the FAI has lost faith in, that was representing the LOI clubs ? 
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Reading today that none of the clubs will actually get the 5k, it will go to planning companies selected by the FAI.
Pats & Derrys share is to be redistributed.
They are also trying to get Kinsella, the Pats rep, thrown off the PCA.
Classy as always from the FAI.
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Originally posted by Bob Hoskins Bob Hoskins wrote:

What's the story with the Pats fellah that the FAI has lost faith in, that was representing the LOI clubs ? 


He was Pats' rep on the PCA during meetings about the strategic plans, clubs getting 5k and all that.

The FAI claim he was supportive of the 5K and were surprised that Pats board turned down the 5K.

It really doesn't matter if he was supportive or not, he was just a rep and the Pats board turned it down as they were fully entitled to do.

TLDR:He's a scapegoat for the FAI'S incompetence and they don't want voices of dissent.
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Originally posted by Bitored Bitored wrote:

Reading today that none of the clubs will actually get the 5k, it will go to planning companies selected by the FAI.
Pats & Derrys share is to be redistributed.
They are also trying to get Kinsella, the Pats rep, thrown off the PCA.
Classy as always from the FAI.

Hmm companies 'selected' by the fai, good job they'll have fair transparent methods for selecting these companies....
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Wasn't there an announcement to come of who the FAI consultants were to be on all this.

A limerick company owned by Keith Wood I heard somewhere, just cant remember where.
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