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notpropaganda73
Liam Brady Joined: 17 Feb 2016 Location: Donegal Status: Offline Points: 1067 |
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I'm not saying no rules Gerk, I'm more saying how the narrative plays out for a man like that coming seeking a better life. Of course you have to have rules and controls. I just don't think migrating solely for economic reasons is a bad thing either. Sure I've done it myself.
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The GerK
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True. I suppose that's an issue. People don't really understand the many layers and complexities of the system
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Wheelo
Liam Brady Joined: 09 Sep 2010 Location: Drogheda Status: Offline Points: 2367 |
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@borussia, you’re living in cloud cuckoo land if you think this isn’t going to have a negative impact on the town of drogheda.
Bar a few left wing loons, the vast majority of locals have serious concerns about this. If you’re not living in drogheda, you don’t really have a right to lecture locals on genuine concerns they have. The towns in a delicate state, decades of underinvestment by government in business/industry and tourism, had always high unemployment rates even during Celtic tiger - the town looked to be finally staring to turn the corner with it being over the worst of the gang violence (hopefully - it’s still there but not as bad), investment in port access project, a focus starting on tourism, going for city status, etc. Had a set back last week with m and s pulling out. This now is another serious blow. No hotel accommodation in town centre for potential businessmen/ tourists bar a few rooms in scholars. 2km out of town is the run down not a valley which doesn’t even do food anymore, and 5km out the Glenside which is too far out and small. Less people will be in town now as a result of this. It will have a knock on effect on local businesses in town which are vulnerable anyway. And yes, any sane person would have concerns about 500 people living full time in a hotel room in the town centre “hanging around”. As we know, these asylum seekers will be from many countries around the world. Some of them will be sound, some will be scumbags. Some will be from countries that show little respect towards women, etc. but that’s entirely different matter So my concern? Take your pick from any of the above? No future in town now for young people. The lefty loons can say what they want,and no matter how they want to dress it up, it’s acknowledged by practically everyone that this is a disaster for the town (despite the right wing lions potentially ruining the chances of sane people being able to voice their concerns or protests)
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"Not surprised you are anti foreigner in your so called Kip of a town when you don’t want a manager because he is Swedish and you want big Sam in charge" - a fine post from a fine ybig poster
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Mush Cassidys Donkey
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Probably one of the best posts on YBIG in a long time. outstanding
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Cabra Hoop
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Borussia
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@wheelo: I'm not a stranger to Drogheda. My home town is not too far from there, would have been up there for a few pints a couple of weeks ago when I was home. No doubting it has been neglected, along with a number of other towns not too far away such as Balbriggan (which funnily enough does have a hotel but isn't a booming tourist location). My own hometown does get quite a few tourists but doesn't have a hotel so I don't think the sole existence of a hotel is some sort of deal breaker in terms of tourism. On the neglect point, has there been protests in Drogheda about this or is it the mention of international protection people that suddenly starts the protests?
On the tourism point, if people aren't using the Valley and the Glenside is too far out then would the DHotel not be busy a lot of the time and therefore there would be no need for the owners to take the governments money to re-purpose the building for now? Regarding 500 people coming into the town and as you say "some being scumbags and some not", how do you know that? Are you working on the law over averages? If so when they opened those new estates out where Southgate shopping centre now is and lots of people moved in then presumably you also had the same concerns about scumbags also? You mention people coming from countries that show little respect towards women - Do those countries, for example, make single women who are pregnant go into homes to have their kids and make them give them up? That sort of thing? Yes, as has been pointed out above the system for IP applicants is far from perfect. Yes, serious parts of public services in Ireland have be underfunded. Yes, towns like Drogheda have been neglected. But this has been the case for quite a while so it's curious that 500 IP applicants is all of a sudden the straw that broke the camels back.
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eireland
Ray Houghton Joined: 12 Feb 2016 Status: Online Points: 4433 |
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How are the waiting lists for doctors and dentists in Drogheda these days?
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jamo1
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nvidic
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Greystones population went up three fold without any great increase in doctors or dentists, we got on fine. 500 IP applicants isn't going to make a huge difference to those services in a town the size of Drogheda.
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eireland
Ray Houghton Joined: 12 Feb 2016 Status: Online Points: 4433 |
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It depends if there's already long waiting lists for these type of services or not. If there is they'll only get worse. I'm not a big fan of building modular homes or whatever but I would have guessed something like that would have been better then taking a 4 star hotel in the centre of a struggling town which is attached to a shopping centre already on it's knees. And I think it goes without saying if the government last year had a proper list of safe countries we wouldn't have a crazy situation where 32% of hotel rooms outside Dublin are housing refugees. Obviously the government seeing more sense now but it's too late. Last year it was almost a free for all for those coming in.
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Wheelo
Liam Brady Joined: 09 Sep 2010 Location: Drogheda Status: Offline Points: 2367 |
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Don’t think dentists are too much of an issue. Doctors certainly are. For example, my dad hadn’t been to a doctor in over 30 years so my family doctor had no record of him being there. Refused to see him as weren’t taking anymore patients. He rang around a number of doctors and they wouldn’t take him. I eventually got him into my own doctor after personally begging him! Looking forward to 500 asylum seekers being dumped on the doorsteps of the left wing loonies. A lot of the previously vocal left wing in drogheda have been very quiet the last couple of days!
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"Not surprised you are anti foreigner in your so called Kip of a town when you don’t want a manager because he is Swedish and you want big Sam in charge" - a fine post from a fine ybig poster
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eireland
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This is ultimately how opinions changed in Scandinavian countries. Went from the left to the right. When reality hits socially people realise that sustainable and realistic refugee systems should be a thing. Like I said before Louth is a Sinn Fein stronghold and they'll likely lose more popularity here then the government which is implementing these policies.
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Jackal
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That's a Fianna Fail and Fine Gael problem. They caused it.
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Mush Cassidys Donkey
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razzmatazaz
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Well David Trimble's famous remarks about Ireland being a mono-ethnic, mono-cultural state are less true by the day!
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/trimble-stands-firm-over-pathetic-comments-1.416222 I see far less people from other countries whenever I'm in the North ironically.
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Trap junior
Robbie Keane YBIG Minister of Doom & Gloom Joined: 25 Jan 2010 Location: Irish Riviera Status: Offline Points: 39881 |
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I've never seen a black person in the North. The North is like Poland. You only see white people.
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eireland
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Plenty of international students in Poland. I take it you haven't been recently.
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Wheelo
Liam Brady Joined: 09 Sep 2010 Location: Drogheda Status: Offline Points: 2367 |
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That is true - unfortunately in our case it’ll be too late before the sheep cop on that it’s not sustainable. The time to tackle it was years ago. Up until the last couple of years, there was no incentive to tackle the abuse of the immigration system as most that claimed asylum were bailing to the UK after arriving so it wasn’t “our” problem. A few years ago the Georgians copped on and started hanging around here instead. That should’ve rang alarm bells. Now not only are they not wanting to go to the Uk when they arrive here, we’ve more coming in directly from the UK now too! A mess!
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"Not surprised you are anti foreigner in your so called Kip of a town when you don’t want a manager because he is Swedish and you want big Sam in charge" - a fine post from a fine ybig poster
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