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ConorMac77
Ray Houghton Joined: 22 Apr 2015 Location: Newry Status: Offline Points: 3699 |
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During the troubles, any car left parked in some random spot was often treated as a security alert. Eg - One day, our car broke down on our way home from a family holiday and it wouldn't start again. We had to leave it (on the hard shoulder on the road from Newry to Warrenpoint) and get a taxi home. Once we got home, Dad phoned the police to let them know about the car and that it was nothing for them or the army (who regularly carried out patrols) to be concerned about and that he would get it towed to a garage the next morning.
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The nation holds it's breath...YES, WE'RE THERE!!!
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Trap junior
Robbie Keane YBIG Minister of Doom & Gloom Joined: 25 Jan 2010 Location: Irish Riviera Status: Offline Points: 39888 |
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''Ok thank you for calling Crimestoppers and letting us know Mr?'' Oh yes sorry I apologise. Its Mr. O'Neill'' ''And your first name Mr. O'Neill?'' ''Pee'' ''P??'' ''Yes sir. Pee O'Neill? It's short for Padraig.'' |
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razzmatazaz
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Reading Making Sense of the Troubles by David McKittrick at the moment. Harold Wilson devised a plan in the commons for Irish unity within 15 years as far back as the early 1970s. The subject of Irish reunification was also broached with the Taoiseach a few years before that and the British were surprised at how negatively the Irish reacted to the possibility. Every day is a school day.
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Deane
Liam Brady Joined: 17 Oct 2014 Location: Co Down Status: Offline Points: 2960 |
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Read "Killing Thatcher" recently, definitely would recommend. Patrick Magee was some volunteer.
Imagine they weren't caught before all the other planned bombs.
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razzmatazaz
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Did you get that on the Daily Deal on Amazon as well? Less than a pound. Noice. That's on my to-do list after the wan I'm reading now. |
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Green Cockade
Liam Brady Joined: 22 Jan 2020 Location: Belfast Status: Offline Points: 2714 |
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It’s Dr. Patrick Magee these days, he got a Ph.D in jail. Very nice guy and highly intelligent. Though I never did understand why he used the alias “ Roy Walsh” when that was the real name of a high level Provo. UVF supergrass the late Joe Bennett did something similar when he was arrested in Derby for armed robbery in the 80s, having gone there to retire well away from vengeful ex comrades in Belfast. He called himself “John Graham”( real name of UVF Chief of Staff ).
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Double Maxim without doubt the greatest drink in the world
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Could have been the work of a splinter group.
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razzmatazaz
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Village always writes good Troubles related articles. All I know about Magill is the name but this aul wan about Billy Wright is a tremendous read: https://magill.ie/archive/billy-wright-dying-sword
A very fascinating person to read about on many different levels be it personally, the cult like effect he had on others, the internecine feuds, his role in Drumcree, the almost Manchurian Candidate-esque way the British State used people like him as instruments of torture against the rural Catholic community, the way himself and Fulton were neatly disposed of by the same people who used them once they got too big for their boots and became a threat to the peace process, the zealotry. His upbringing and close links with Catholics, even playing GAA - like Wullie Frazer - while growing up in a Republican stronghold, and having sisters married to Southern men, betrays a complexity behind people like him beyond the demonstrable vileness of the acts he ordered in breach of the ceasefire. Interestingly I read (Wiki) that Peter Taylor thought he was given too much credit for some of the savagery that was going on from Loyalists back then.
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Martin Dillon’s book “ The Trigger Men” has an illuminating section on Wright, who was certainly a tout-even his former commander, Robin “ The Jackal” Jackson, himself an agent and one of the most prolific sectarian murderers of the Troubles era, alleged that. He was a tool of not just his handlers but vile politicians from the DUP including McCrea and Paisley Jnr and the likes of Bob McCartney, who are all mentioned in the article. There are a couple of minor errors in it-the taxi driver victim was not Eddie McGoldrick ( an Arsenal and Ireland footballer ) but Michael McGoldrick, his killer was loyalist supergrass Clifford McKeown ( not MacKeown), who is still in jail for it as far as I know. He described the murder as “ a present for Billy Wright.” Wright was more intelligent than the bulk of the lumpen knuckledraggers who made up the ranks of the LVF and planned to go to university in England at one point. That said, he was a damaged individual ( read Dillon ) who inflicted a lot of damage on other people for raw sectarian reasons and for all his delusions and self-aggrandisement is now just a footnote in the history of the Troubles.
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Founding DUP member and prominent Orangeman Wallace Thompson has conceded that a United Ireland is an inevitability in part due to the irreparable damage done by Brexit.
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Wallace was a contemporary of Jim Allister, Sammy Wilson and a few other less astute alumni of QUB. Unlike them, he was always a very civil guy as long as you didn’t get him started on religion or politics, as he would then transform into a clone of Paisley Snr, hunching his shoulders and putting on a booming preachy voice in unconscious imitation of his guru while ranting about “rebels” and suchlike. He is still an evangelical Prod but it is fair to say he has changed a lot over the years. The points he made in this interview do reflect a lot of the new thinking that is going on within unionism these days, painful though it may be for some.
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Will be the best thing to ever happen. We'll finally have a secure border.
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Anyone read The Long Long War by Ken Wharton? Want to read something from the British Army perspective next. Either that or Bandit Country by Toby Harnden.
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I have not yet read Wharton’s book but Bandit Country is worth the read. I was sceptical when it came out given Harnden’s background but his sources are genuine all right. I’m not sure how he got to some of them but the book shines a light on the South Armagh IRA and the unique characters organising its numerous operations.
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