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Het-field
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The Donkey hurling from the ditch again. Just insults. Nothing of substance.
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eireland
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😂😂😂😂 This guy must have the IQ of a water melon.
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Het-field
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Given the views the donkey has expressed on the Ukraine thread it’s no wonder Corbyn lost, if that’s who is backing him.
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eireland
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The same type of losers who'd chant at Yemen to attack civilian ships while dressed as a terrorist.
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notpropaganda73
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the antisemitism stuff was ridiculous though, the Forde report highlighted the total disunity in the party and how it was used as a factional weapon (by both the centre-right of Labour and Corbyn supporters). The lack of focus on the islamophobia reports within the Tories (and Labour) highlights to me how it was a stick to beat Corbyn with, not something that many within Labour (or the wider UK press) actually cared about fixing. Corbyn lacked political nous as leader I think but I don't think someone like him was ever going to be allowed make any missteps. He had to be the perfect leader and even then they'd have gunned for him. But he wasn't the perfect leader and it fell apart. Labour's problem is the supposed values of the party and their membership versus the centrist/right wing parliamentary party. You can see it with the reports that the NEC deselecting left wing candidates. Starmer is someone that could have bridged that gap between the left and right of the party if he wanted to, but instead he has pandered to the right and positioned himself as a "sensible" option for the press. The Tories are just all over the place so he had a chance to make the alternative into anything he wanted really, and what he has chosen to do while leader tells you everything you need to know about what sort of PM he will be imo.
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Borussia
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On the Anti-semitism, yes the right wing press were always going to make it to be far bigger than it was. But it did exist and Corbyn could have been stronger on it but wasn't and didn't and it cost him.
On the Islamaphobia which exists, trying to induldge in whataboutery like above is also partly what cost Labour. I very much agree on Starmer - I'll be holding my nose while voting for Labour next time.
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notpropaganda73
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I'm not really saying it as a "whataboutery", I meant it as both issues are not really something those that gunned for Corbyn care about fixing, more a useful thing to beat him with and now that he's gone, job done I absolutely agree he failed on it though, like I said he didn't have political nous generally as leader and I think he failed to see what was happening and failed to take a strong enough position on it
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Het-field
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Which was akin to his response on Brexit.
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Borussia
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Ah, I get you now. I just feel myself if he did make a more meaningful effort to tackle whatever level of anti-semitism that existed then it would easily have taken awake one of the sticks being used to beat him. Those doing it would most likely have found another but that's a different point.
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notpropaganda73
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definitely agree on that, could have been an easy win for him in many ways but he was pretty naive in how he dealt with it
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Green Cockade
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Corbyn was always on a hiding to nothing. The anti-semitism stuff was exaggerated but used as a stick to beat him with, likewise his dithering on Brexit, which he supported, was a massive own goal. He was not a natural leader, he had a long history of voting against his own party and he appointed ideologues of dubious merit to key positions. In keeping with the gesture politics he had espoused throughout his political career, he welcomed back into the party members of Trotskyist sects who had been expelled previously for infiltrating the party with the objective of splitting and damaging it as much as possible. All of which led to a wipe-out at the polls and forced Labour into a complete re-set. It was clear that further years in the wilderness were what they faced without one. Starmer seems to be trying to position himself as a latter day Tony Blair without the charisma but truth is they don’t have to do much at the moment other than watch the non-stop clown show that has driven the vast bulk of the electorate away from the Tories. We’ll see what present day Labour actually stand for when their election manifesto materialises.
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eireland
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Can I ask why anti Semitism is used to describe hatred towards Jews when a semite could be Arab for example. Surely anti Judaism or judeaphobia or another term should be used?
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Het-field
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Interesting result in the Blackpool South By-Election. The Tories comprehensively lose their seat, but they also ended up in a dogfight for 2nd place with the Reform Party. Perhaps a sign of things to come in the GE, and the RP could end up taking a lot of Tory votes, and take them out in marginal seats?
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cliffrichard
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Tories getting their arses handed to them as expected. Little Rishi's anti-Irish posturing didn't help.
They will lose about 300 seats in the next GE. Starmer will have a huge majority.
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eireland
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In terms of British aid to Ukraine how will the election results impact that?
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Borussia
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These are council elections - Zero impact. Did they not teach you about political systems on your politics degree???
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cliffrichard
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No idea. Ask in the Ukraine thread, maybe?
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BrendanD88
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