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kopkid
Liam Brady Joined: 03 Dec 2011 Status: Offline Points: 1459 |
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Revised primary curriculum in 1999. Can't speak for second level education but I'd say the reason there is an expectancy to learn stories for the LC is that by the time pupils reach that stage they will have had 11/12 years of learning the language so I'd imagine being able to hold a conservation is the minimum requirement. That's not me trying to be a smart arse btw but I think the huge level of apathy and sure 'I'll never use it anyway' play a part. Edited by kopkid - 05 Jan 2014 at 12:32pm |
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Trapcandoit
Liam Brady Joined: 13 May 2011 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 1734 |
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After posting last night I just woke up there thinking that I forgot the most important thing I have learned about this topic. It's a huge cliché at this point but it is this: Enjoy it. Enjoy speaking it, enjoy meeting new friends while speaking it, enjoy the craic
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5 goals to go Robbie!
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ringerbell
Jack Charlton Joined: 12 Nov 2009 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 8025 |
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When in college I did my work placement in the local irish school. Wasnt my choice as I'm far from fluent but had no other choice. 1st few weeks were tough had kids of 5/6 speaking better irish than me. Over the weeks I found my own level of the language increasing but would still like to improve it more. There were children from foreign families in the school I was in but would imagine they were born here and they had a great grasp of the language
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the closest i will ever come to playing for ireland https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0_7w4JyvI4
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Richmond Ultra
500 Club la la la Joined: 16 Oct 2012 Location: Cork Status: Offline Points: 574 |
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i can speak the language well but im brutal at the grammar rules tbh. I work in summer colleges during the summer to practice irish as well as earn great money and have a good laugh. I write and record songs on youtube with my friend through Irish and ive got over 5000 views on some of the videos but the problem we have is that lurgan in galway keep getting credit for songs we write and as a result they get cash etc from it. Songs weve done last year include ho hey,little talks,give me love,pompeii and sweet nothing. I xant link them up to the forum now as im on my phone but the
youtube channel is: an chuallacht. im recording a new song in the next 2 weeks with over 70 participants for the ucc irishdepartment. |
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Omnia Causa Fiunt
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Trapcandoit
Liam Brady Joined: 13 May 2011 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 1734 |
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I'm maybe 50% fluent but improving gradually and at my own comfortable pace. I practice speaking Irish every chance I get and have been doing this for the last year or so. I don't get tied up with writing and grammer. I just speak what I know and never worry about mistakes. It's really amazing the stuff that comes back to you also.
I use TG4 a lot and there is the Gael Taca café in Sullivans Quay in Cork. I also spend two or three hours a week in the library learning new words and phrases from dictionaries that I might use later in the Gael Taca. One thing I used to find really helpful was the sport as gaeilge section that used to come out every Thursday (I think) with the Star. It had it's own new vocabulary sections and some very well written articles. I would love to know if this will be continued. Maybe some of the guys on the forum would know as I know that some of the lads work there. But either way the main thing for me is to practice the cupla focail every chance I get both at home with the family and outside on the street. Edited by Trapcandoit - 04 Jan 2014 at 9:51pm |
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5 goals to go Robbie!
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The Huntacha
Roy Keane Joined: 27 Mar 2012 Location: Dubai Status: Offline Points: 12854 |
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Agree with both planning and corkery's points. I good enough at it in school but took the dim view a lot of us had of "Sure why do I need to know that" and "I'll never have to use it again". It's only as you get older that you have an appreciation for it, after all it's part of our culture etc and to call myself Irish and not be able to speak it sickens me.
It's taught very bad in the schools though and hopefully it gets revised. Learning about King Lir and all those other stories in Irish is a waste of time when most students struggle to hold a conversation.
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Jimmy Bullard - "Favorite band? Elastic."
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corkery
Ray Houghton Joined: 28 Jul 2010 Location: Cork Status: Offline Points: 4932 |
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The problem is that we're made to learn stories and comprehensions, something that isn't done when learning French.
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'The younger generation as in 17 -25 are certainly gayer than their predecessors. I think they may cause the extinction of the human race with their activities.'- Baldrick
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planning
Ray Houghton Football version of Comical Ali. Joined: 17 Mar 2012 Status: Offline Points: 3836 |
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Spanish is a useful language that's needed in many countries. Irish is about as useful as Welsh, where only one race of people from one country can speak it, and it's useless everywhere else. Add in that it's a compulsory subject, taught badly with too many rules to follow, with the world's most important language available on tap, and lack of interest in Irish is inevitable. Forcing people to learn languages they rarely need is not the best way to make people learn it. As a nation, our knowledge of foreign languages is poor, but we'd be much worse off globally if Irish was the only official language we had. |
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VAR: Cutting the crap out of football.
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kimbap
Liam Brady Joined: 08 Oct 2011 Status: Offline Points: 2605 |
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Would be about 80% fluent.
Was average enough the first few years at school then spent a few summers in the Gaeltacht and learned to love the language. My niece and nephew are both in Irish schools and whilst their Dad is fluent ,my sister wouldnt have a word.Dont know what the policy is exactly,seems to be swept under the carpet a bit and not talked about.Was told before that its to keep foreign kids out.This sounds like a bit of a conspiracy theory idea but its not when you think about it.When i was growing up The Irish school in my town was the smallest school in the town,one room,only opened in the 80's.Now its the biggest school in town by far and everyone i know has kids in it or is planning on sending them there. My old school which was considered posh at the time now has students from all over the world with varying degrees of English all in the one class thus creating a very difficult learning environment and in many cases leaving the students at a disadvantage when they hit for secondary school. Edited by kimbap - 03 Jan 2014 at 2:11pm |
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corkery
Ray Houghton Joined: 28 Jul 2010 Location: Cork Status: Offline Points: 4932 |
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Done my Leaving Cert in it. I can understand it but my grammar is fairly bad.
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'The younger generation as in 17 -25 are certainly gayer than their predecessors. I think they may cause the extinction of the human race with their activities.'- Baldrick
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horsebox
Robbie Keane Born n bred in darndale. Joined: 03 Feb 2010 Location: Ireland Status: Online Points: 34950 |
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It was far across the sea,
When the devil got a hold of me, He wouldn't set me free, So he kept me soul for ransom. na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na. I'm a sailor man from Glasgow to |
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drog addict
Jack Charlton Castleknocker Joined: 21 Oct 2008 Location: Sunnyvale Status: Offline Points: 6821 |
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Always listen to radio na Gaeltachta in the car when boss comes over from England to piss him off.
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Jackthelad
Jack Charlton It's OUR year Joined: 13 Dec 2011 Status: Offline Points: 9270 |
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In the case of Irish speaking it is the most difficult aspect of the language. Reading it and understanding what is being said will come easier.
Listening to it more and more will lead to increased confidence in speaking it. I still have to improve and want to. I left the language behind me after secondary school for 8/9 years but getting it back. 1 aim this year is to improve on it along with quitting smoking. I'd be a better man this time next year if I manage those 2 things. Practical things that help is listening to radio na gaeltachta every time you hop in the car. Watch tg4 and listen to irish music. Most importantly though engage in conversations as much as you can. People probably don't know it but there are coircil cainte groups all over the country. Many going are fluent but you would be welcomed with open arms as a newbie and it helps, greatly. |
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The Huntacha
Roy Keane Joined: 27 Mar 2012 Location: Dubai Status: Offline Points: 12854 |
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Few lads that I went to secondary school who went to an Irish primary school, while being fully fluent in Irish, were weaker at most other subjects than the rest of us. Anyone else ever find this?
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Jimmy Bullard - "Favorite band? Elastic."
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The Huntacha
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Was thinking the same myself, it seems a strange way of alienating some kids who's parents would like them to be fluent. Although on the other hand I can see the point in them only accepting kids who've attended an Irish speaking Montessori. If kids are fluent by senior infants then they must hit the ground running in class which would prob leave anyone who didnt attend one way behind.
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Jimmy Bullard - "Favorite band? Elastic."
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horsebox
Robbie Keane Born n bred in darndale. Joined: 03 Feb 2010 Location: Ireland Status: Online Points: 34950 |
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The parents need to assist the kids with homework as usually they need help. That is one of the main reasons I think. Unless you want to pay for a tutor or out of hours help etc.. |
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It was far across the sea,
When the devil got a hold of me, He wouldn't set me free, So he kept me soul for ransom. na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na. I'm a sailor man from Glasgow to |
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Sham157
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Have a few words myself but would love to be fluent. The policy of only accepting kids who's parents speak Irish is a strange one. These schools promote the Irish language yet are only accepting in most cases, kids from the clique. Now I understand that they want to look after the kids that come from an Irish speaking background but its very narrow minded imo
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The Huntacha
Roy Keane Joined: 27 Mar 2012 Location: Dubai Status: Offline Points: 12854 |
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No, we sent her to an Irish speaking montessori (naionra) beforehand and because she went there the Irish school took her. They wouldn't take anybody who hadn't been to a naionra though.[/QUOTE] Makes sense I suppose. Great opportunity for her now - as people who learn languages usually pick up other languages a lot easier later on. SBG posted this a while back while I book marked. http://www.independent.ie/lifestyle/education/learn-irish-with-liam-o-maonlai-26460087.html [/QUOTE] Cheers HB
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