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Club is a mess from top to bottom and can't just continue sacking managers when things start to go badly. Look at the bench this evening who on it would improve the 11 if they were starting instead only 1 I can say might be mainoo 

People will talk about players manager brought in but how many of them are on loam or were a panic buy at the end of the transfer window. Take hojlund for example does anyone really believe manager wanted him over harry Lane because I certainly don't but I do believe owners and ceo weren't willing to pay the fee spurs wanted even though thst was the exact type of signing united needed in the summer 

I said a while back things could get worse before they get better and that's what we are seeing now would not surprise me if this team finished mid table this season if things don't change soon but if the minority takeover can get done and a semblance of football structure is instilled into the club from tip down it may be a short term pain/sacrifice worth taking 

For what it's worth I wouldn't be sacking manager just yet either have tried thst approach to many times in last 10 years and where exactly has it got us 
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You'd hope Ratcliffe coming in might make a difference, but he's a union busting money hoarder same as the Glazers, a long way from the outlook of Ferguson and the people that built the club over generations.


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Originally posted by Roberto Baggio Roberto Baggio wrote:

Mainoo should be starting, looks like the best midfielder they have. 



Agreed!

Scott McTominay is one of the worst midfielders in top flight football! Fair enough he’s scored important goals this season but he’s nowhere near the level required to be competing at the top table.

Luke Shaw off ‘injured’ last night again, probably doesn’t fancy a trip to Anfield on Sunday the fat f**k. 


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Mourinho should have been hired post Ferguson rather than when he was.

Liverpool pretty much kept trying until they landed on Klopp. Right now the only reason not to sack Ten Hag is United not wanting to continue the cycle of sacking managers. Ten Hag has to go. He has been backed and made the squad worse.
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Originally posted by ringerbell ringerbell wrote:

Club is a mess from top to bottom and can't just continue sacking managers when things start to go badly. Look at the bench this evening who on it would improve the 11 if they were starting instead only 1 I can say might be mainoo 

People will talk about players manager brought in but how many of them are on loam or were a panic buy at the end of the transfer window. Take hojlund for example does anyone really believe manager wanted him over harry Lane because I certainly don't but I do believe owners and ceo weren't willing to pay the fee spurs wanted even though thst was the exact type of signing united needed in the summer 

I said a while back things could get worse before they get better and that's what we are seeing now would not surprise me if this team finished mid table this season if things don't change soon but if the minority takeover can get done and a semblance of football structure is instilled into the club from tip down it may be a short term pain/sacrifice worth taking 

For what it's worth I wouldn't be sacking manager just yet either have tried thst approach to many times in last 10 years and where exactly has it got us 

Hojlund cost 70 million, youd swear he cost 7. Good strikers were out there for 70 million.

Or perhaps if the manager hadnt wanted to waste 60 million on 'number one target' Mason f*cking Mount, he could have tried for McAllister for 35 and gotten Kane for 100.

 The manager has had full control of recruitment and made the squad worse.
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How much warning did Ferguson give them.  Very little I suspect.  Pep too the Munich job that year and Jose returned to Chelsea.  I suspect that Utd were not succession planning and the power was all with Ferguson.  
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Don Ferguson anointed his pal Moyes. He had so much control it was up to him. 

Utd are just so desperate always chasing the next hit be it a new manager or a new transfer that they are hoping will give them the hit and hoping it sticks and brings them back to the top.
It does remind me very much of Liverpool from the 90s until when Klopp came in. You get some hits but ultimately not the winning formula that made you a force to be reckoned with in England and Europe.

Like another poster said, I do think you got to get rid of Ten Hag and try again. Ten Hag can't have too many complaints either as he was given the money to spend but spent it on players that were no better than what they had.

Obviously there is more wrong than just the manager at the club but it's now rotten with the manager and to save the season and try to build then I think they need to change. Funny thing is, I'm not sure the likes of De Zerbi would even take the job now. 


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Fans would be more willing to give Ten Hag time if his signings hadn’t turned out to be such a disaster. He’s wasted big money on players, and yet he’s spent most of the season so far depending on 2 players he tried to ship out to West Ham.

The changes that Emery and Postecoglu have made and the styles they have managed to implement in a short space of time is another indictment on Ten Hag’s time at United.
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Originally posted by Trap junior Trap junior wrote:

The rot started the minute they appointed Moyes.   In hindsight who should they have gotten back in 2013?

Guardiola or Klopp
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Its the same mediocre players failing for every manager - Dalot, Lindelof, Maguire, McTominay, Martial
No apparent plan or style of play. 

It was amazing last night how positive the pundits were at half time because they weren't losing and had created 1 or 2 at best half chances. Would remind you of if Celtic were drawing with a big club at home in Europe. 
Then you think of how they celebrated at Copenhagen missing a last minute penalty, it was as if they'd just won a semi final of the competition. 
Some decline in all round attitude 

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Originally posted by Roberto Baggio Roberto Baggio wrote:

Its the same mediocre players failing for every manager - Dalot, Lindelof, Maguire, McTominay, Martial
No apparent plan or style of play. 

It was amazing last night how positive the pundits were at half time because they weren't losing and had created 1 or 2 at best half chances. Would remind you of if Celtic were drawing with a big club at home in Europe. 
Then you think of how they celebrated at Copenhagen missing a last minute penalty, it was as if they'd just won a semi final of the competition. 
Some decline in all round attitude 


McTominay should not be on that list. Hes a fine player and has the potential to get better IMO.
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Originally posted by doherty doherty wrote:

Originally posted by Roberto Baggio Roberto Baggio wrote:

Its the same mediocre players failing for every manager - Dalot, Lindelof, Maguire, McTominay, Martial
No apparent plan or style of play. 

It was amazing last night how positive the pundits were at half time because they weren't losing and had created 1 or 2 at best half chances. Would remind you of if Celtic were drawing with a big club at home in Europe. 
Then you think of how they celebrated at Copenhagen missing a last minute penalty, it was as if they'd just won a semi final of the competition. 
Some decline in all round attitude 


McTominay should not be on that list. Hes a fine player and has the potential to get better IMO.
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McTominay has probably been one of the stand out players for them
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Originally posted by doherty doherty wrote:

Originally posted by Roberto Baggio Roberto Baggio wrote:

Its the same mediocre players failing for every manager - Dalot, Lindelof, Maguire, McTominay, Martial
No apparent plan or style of play. 

It was amazing last night how positive the pundits were at half time because they weren't losing and had created 1 or 2 at best half chances. Would remind you of if Celtic were drawing with a big club at home in Europe. 
Then you think of how they celebrated at Copenhagen missing a last minute penalty, it was as if they'd just won a semi final of the competition. 
Some decline in all round attitude 


McTominay should not be on that list. Hes a fine player and has the potential to get better IMO.

Disagree, his goals mask over how poor a footballer he is
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Originally posted by ringerbell ringerbell wrote:

Club is a mess from top to bottom and can't just continue sacking managers when things start to go badly. Look at the bench this evening who on it would improve the 11 if they were starting instead only 1 I can say might be mainoo 

People will talk about players manager brought in but how many of them are on loam or were a panic buy at the end of the transfer window. Take hojlund for example does anyone really believe manager wanted him over harry Lane because I certainly don't but I do believe owners and ceo weren't willing to pay the fee spurs wanted even though thst was the exact type of signing united needed in the summer 

I said a while back things could get worse before they get better and that's what we are seeing now would not surprise me if this team finished mid table this season if things don't change soon but if the minority takeover can get done and a semblance of football structure is instilled into the club from tip down it may be a short term pain/sacrifice worth taking 

For what it's worth I wouldn't be sacking manager just yet either have tried thst approach to many times in last 10 years and where exactly has it got us 

Hojlund cost 70 million, youd swear he cost 7. Good strikers were out there for 70 million.

Or perhaps if the manager hadnt wanted to waste 60 million on 'number one target' Mason f*cking Mount, he could have tried for McAllister for 35 and gotten Kane for 100.

 The manager has had full control of recruitment and made the squad worse.

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Originally posted by Roberto Baggio Roberto Baggio wrote:

Originally posted by doherty doherty wrote:

Originally posted by Roberto Baggio Roberto Baggio wrote:

Its the same mediocre players failing for every manager - Dalot, Lindelof, Maguire, McTominay, Martial
No apparent plan or style of play. 

It was amazing last night how positive the pundits were at half time because they weren't losing and had created 1 or 2 at best half chances. Would remind you of if Celtic were drawing with a big club at home in Europe. 
Then you think of how they celebrated at Copenhagen missing a last minute penalty, it was as if they'd just won a semi final of the competition. 
Some decline in all round attitude 


McTominay should not be on that list. Hes a fine player and has the potential to get better IMO.

Disagree, his goals mask over how poor a footballer he is
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Originally posted by E2016 E2016 wrote:

Originally posted by ringerbell ringerbell wrote:

Club is a mess from top to bottom and can't just continue sacking managers when things start to go badly. Look at the bench this evening who on it would improve the 11 if they were starting instead only 1 I can say might be mainoo 

People will talk about players manager brought in but how many of them are on loam or were a panic buy at the end of the transfer window. Take hojlund for example does anyone really believe manager wanted him over harry Lane because I certainly don't but I do believe owners and ceo weren't willing to pay the fee spurs wanted even though thst was the exact type of signing united needed in the summer 

I said a while back things could get worse before they get better and that's what we are seeing now would not surprise me if this team finished mid table this season if things don't change soon but if the minority takeover can get done and a semblance of football structure is instilled into the club from tip down it may be a short term pain/sacrifice worth taking 

For what it's worth I wouldn't be sacking manager just yet either have tried thst approach to many times in last 10 years and where exactly has it got us 

Hojlund cost 70 million, youd swear he cost 7. Good strikers were out there for 70 million.

Or perhaps if the manager hadnt wanted to waste 60 million on 'number one target' Mason f*cking Mount, he could have tried for McAllister for 35 and gotten Kane for 100.

 The manager has had full control of recruitment and made the squad worse.

Let’s not pretend MacAllister had been a good signing for Liverpool! He’s not a top player so doubt he would make much difference. 
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Originally posted by doherty doherty wrote:

Originally posted by Roberto Baggio Roberto Baggio wrote:

Its the same mediocre players failing for every manager - Dalot, Lindelof, Maguire, McTominay, Martial
No apparent plan or style of play. 

It was amazing last night how positive the pundits were at half time because they weren't losing and had created 1 or 2 at best half chances. Would remind you of if Celtic were drawing with a big club at home in Europe. 
Then you think of how they celebrated at Copenhagen missing a last minute penalty, it was as if they'd just won a semi final of the competition. 
Some decline in all round attitude 


McTominay should not be on that list. Hes a fine player and has the potential to get better IMO.

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